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0 pointssimonh4y ago0 comments

We should absolutely act now to ensure their right, including their free speech rights both now and into the future. I do not see how handing veto power over free speech rights to gatekeepers advances that agenda.

Even if doing so might advance that agenda in the short term, and I don't think that's the case to any great degree, all it takes is a shift in who the gatekeepers are for this to go very wrong.

Just look at how many countries outlaw all kinds of speech on the basis of this or that religious group being offended by it. Who gets to represent marginalised groups and say what they are offended by? How many or what proportion of them need to be offended for it to count? It's a quagmire.

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wolverine8764y ago

> We should absolutely act now to ensure their right, including their free speech rights both now and into the future.

Nice to hear, but how do you plan to do it? The rest of your comment ignores the problem, which is what has happened for generations.

simonhOP4y ago

I'm not ignoring the many problems marginalised groups face, I am simply addressing the current topic of conversation, free speech. Furthermore the ACLU isn't ignoring them, they have many excellent programs devoted to those issues.

Talking about X doesn't imply ignoring Y, and I object to the blatantly hostile and manipulative language.

wolverine8764y ago

I don't see anything hostile or manipulative, but apologies if it seems that way.

> I'm not ignoring the many problems marginalised groups face, I am simply addressing the current topic of conversation,

That is an example of my point and (in my understanding) the point of the new 'movement' in the ACLU: Free speech is always the topic, and has been for generations, and the other civil rights of marginalized people are never the topic - or not enough to motivate anyone to solve the problems.

A sort of dramatic hypothesis: Free speech affects the people who sit at the table, so that's what they see and what they care about. The marginalized get table scraps.

I actually support the ACLU's 'old' stance on free speech, but that's not the topic of conversation IMHO.

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0 pointssimonh4y ago0 comments

Even if doing so might advance that agenda in the short term, and I don't think that's the case to any great degree, all it takes is a shift in who the gatekeepers are for this to go very wrong.

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wolverine8764y ago

> We should absolutely act now to ensure their right, including their free speech rights both now and into the future.

Nice to hear, but how do you plan to do it? The rest of your comment ignores the problem, which is what has happened for generations.

simonhOP4y ago

Talking about X doesn't imply ignoring Y, and I object to the blatantly hostile and manipulative language.

wolverine8764y ago

I don't see anything hostile or manipulative, but apologies if it seems that way.

> I'm not ignoring the many problems marginalised groups face, I am simply addressing the current topic of conversation,

A sort of dramatic hypothesis: Free speech affects the people who sit at the table, so that's what they see and what they care about. The marginalized get table scraps.

I actually support the ACLU's 'old' stance on free speech, but that's not the topic of conversation IMHO.

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