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0 pointscsunbird4y ago0 comments

The question needs to be asked here is: Why there is a shortage of developers in Germany, while people having access to free education?

One reason is that I can be paid three times more in the US, and with the extra disposable income, I can live a better life, even without the legal protections.

Second reason is that, why should the kids even bother studying computer science for 4-6 years to earn 3k per month? A plumber here can charge 100 per hour and does not require any formal educational training.

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hef198984y ago

A plumber needs formal education, at least in Germany. Three years of it, to be exact. And then some more to run his own shop.

Also, 100 an hour sounds great. That is without taken taxes, social security, operational costs, fix costs an so into account. Those plumbers getting wealthy are running their own shops, small legit enterprises.

Final note: Any decent developer job I know of pays at least 3k, net, after taxes, social and medical insurance,... Enough to live a comfortable live. One without student debt, I might add.

orthoxerox4y ago

3K net is not that much. The whole point of working in IT in the US is that you shoot into the upper middle class levels of compensation. You are no longer a peer of a shopkeeper or a public official, you are now next to doctors and lawyers. You no longer have to balance your monthly budget, you manage your savings.

mnouquet4y ago

> A plumber needs formal education, at least in Germany. Three years of it, to be exact. And then some more to run his own shop.

Here's Europe's problem.

The same way you don't need 5+ years university education to put together whatever piece of hardware / software together, the same way I don't need studying hydraulic to put together hydraulic implements.

kazen444y ago

mind you the german education system is very different from the US/English one.

Germany (and many other european countries) has the idea of a trade school, in which one learns a trade. Usually these are combined with working experience in the form of apprenticeships. In my experience, continental europe has far more emphasis on early work experience compared to ango-saxon countries. An internship usually lasts a couple of years, people get payed a wage for the work they do and it is combined with schooling.

A plumber would be a prime example of the vocation which is using this kind of system.

people finish secondary education at an earlier age then in the US (16 or even 15 in some cases), then they transfer into tertiary education in a fachschule.

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odiroot4y ago

> operational costs, fix costs an so into account.

These are tax deductible.

xputer4y ago

Why did I have to scroll so far to find this? Tech jobs pay almost an order of magnitude more in the US. Cost of living is of course higher and you likely still won't be able to but a house any time soon, but still the difference is stark. Europe severely underpays its tech workers, so the US is able to attract all the smartest people.

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