I don’t trust google and apple equally. I trust google about the same level as comcast/etc.

apple having less advertising influence is more trustworthy, I think, in terms of privacy. don’t lump google in with them.

Meanwhile apple has many many anti consumer anti competitive policies so while I may trust my privacy with them more, I wouldn’t trust them to fight for my privacy rights in the long run.

Meanwhile even Google's employees don't know what data Google collects, how to turn it off, and de-google their phones. A thread with unsealed documents: https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1398353211220807682

I agree on the Apple, but not on Google. AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, Deutschetelekom, British Telecom, NTT, etc. Have spent the last 15 to 20 years being absolutely deskilled by people leaving for better jobs in the hyperscalers. If you’re worried about any telecom carrier looking at your traffic then all you need to do is make sure that encrypted client hello and DNS over HTTPS are used by the devices that you have. The products that they use to do deep packet inspection are all falling apart at this point and since they have no internal technologist they are busy asking vendors to fix it for them, and the vendors can’t fix it either.

Worrying about the carriers was really hot for a while especially post Snowden, but it’s really not a genuine threat.

True.