My point is that they are often as relevant to reality as the flying spaghetti monster to spaghetti. Read my previous comments dump whatever you have in memory in an s3 bucket? Story point 0-give me 10 minutes. Then why did it take a week and a half? Cause someone from another team across the world has to grant permissions which was 3 days of discussions, then the VPN was messed up, which took another 2 teams on the other end of the planet 4 days to fix, 10 minutes to code it and 10 minutes for the cicd pipeline to deploy it. 0 story points, right. That's my entire problem with evangelistic crap like (fr)agile, story points, sprints, epics and so on: they do not reflect reality in any shape or form.