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0 pointspeakaboo4y ago0 comments

Your solutions are to problems that a decent developer doesn't accept anyway.

Working on locked down machine where you are not allowed to have visual code? Seriously?

Working on a chromebook? Why?

Sorry to be negative but I feel sometimes you tech guys get excited about solutions to problems that doesn't actually exist in the real world.

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ncallaway4y ago

> about solutions to problems that doesn't actually exist in the real world.

Problems that don't exist, or that you personally don't have?

Why is enabling development on a Chromebook a bad thing? You ask "Why?", but it seems a more reasonable question to me is: "Why not?" This seems to pull one of the bricks away from "why not?" for working on a Chromebook. I don't see why that's a bad thing.

LuciusVerus4y ago

This "decent developer" thing sounds a bit gatekeepy - this solution isn't here to replace a fancy IDE on a MacBook Pro, it's here to help make coding easier to beginners or on shitty machines. I'd have loved to use this in high school/college instead of relying on the IDEs already installed in the lab.

mynameisvlad4y ago

It's entirely gatekeepy. We should be doing everything we can to encourage development where people are at, not trying to say that unless you do it a certain way (which costs a lot of money for a student, or someone in a developing country) you're not a "decent developer".

WorldMaker4y ago

Plus there are more than enough "dark matter" developers making an otherwise good living at Fortune Xty companies that are afraid of technology and love micro-management and require all software to install to go through 6 month+ review processes. I've known some fantastic developers that will put up with that (and more), code in Notepad and Perforce if they have to, so long as they make a living wage and can clock out directly at 4:59pm every day. (In some of those cases there is maybe hope for them that getting a personal internet access firewall exception for vscode.dev might only be one form and a 30 minute review versus that 6 month+ process to get VS Code installed properly. I appreciate that it may be a nice new option for them by existing.)

It's not a lifestyle that I want for myself, but that doesn't mean I don't respect those folks as "decent developers". It takes a lot of fortitude to build software in those sorts of constraints.

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Gracana4y ago

Even if everything about remote workspaces were bad for professional developers, they will accept it if that's what companies are offering. Just like they accepted open offices, standup meetings, all-day video calls, agile, etc. And there's a lot to like for an employer: spend less on computers, reduce IT costs by locking down machines, get new employees productive sooner, make developers more interchangeable...

It's going to happen, and it doesn't matter much if employees like it or not.

pjmlp4y ago

It has happened since UNIX/VMS/.... systems exist.

That is a typical enterprise setup, thin clients with development taking place on a beefy server.

For Windows systems, you get a VM with RDP or Citrix access.

And native cloud development, is exactly the UNIX/VMS/.... model with fancy UI.

easton4y ago

You should consider yourself lucky to never have been under the boot of a crappy IT department that won't let you have diddly (and even if they let you have diddly, it's five years out of date).

wffurr4y ago

These aren't my solutions, they are the ones presented in the article.

That said, I do a lot of professional software engineering with a Chromebook and a Linux server, so.

pjmlp4y ago

Welcome to enterprise IT world.

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ncallaway4y ago

> about solutions to problems that doesn't actually exist in the real world.

Problems that don't exist, or that you personally don't have?

LuciusVerus4y ago

mynameisvlad4y ago

WorldMaker4y ago

It's not a lifestyle that I want for myself, but that doesn't mean I don't respect those folks as "decent developers". It takes a lot of fortitude to build software in those sorts of constraints.

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Gracana4y ago

It's going to happen, and it doesn't matter much if employees like it or not.

pjmlp4y ago

It has happened since UNIX/VMS/.... systems exist.

That is a typical enterprise setup, thin clients with development taking place on a beefy server.

For Windows systems, you get a VM with RDP or Citrix access.

And native cloud development, is exactly the UNIX/VMS/.... model with fancy UI.

easton4y ago

You should consider yourself lucky to never have been under the boot of a crappy IT department that won't let you have diddly (and even if they let you have diddly, it's five years out of date).

wffurr4y ago

These aren't my solutions, they are the ones presented in the article.

That said, I do a lot of professional software engineering with a Chromebook and a Linux server, so.

pjmlp4y ago

Welcome to enterprise IT world.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse