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0 pointsTimTheTinker4y ago0 comments

On the other hand, sometimes it really makes sense to strike out and define a new, higher standard for code style and paradigm in a given language, or at least to improve somewhat on the style and paradigm that's handed to you.

JavaScript used to be a messy language "not fit for professional use" (see popular JS books from the year 2000 :shudder:), but it turns out most of the problem was how people were using it.

JS code being written today looks like an entirely different language compared to early idiomatic "JavaScripts" one could use to make pages "more dynamic".

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Osiris4y ago

JavaScript today wouldn't be recognizable to a JavaScript developer 6 years ago, especially when using class syntax, destructing, and async/await, among many other syntax additions.

SomeHacker444y ago

Javascript the language has actually changed in those six years.

Common Lisp, OTOH, has not... But styles of CL do change as do libraries, making your statement as applied to CL much more plausible.

zerocount4y ago

JavaScript was never a messy language, it was the different browsers that created a horrible situation for using JavaScript in web pages.

TimTheTinkerOP4y ago

Actually it was very messy. People were encouraged to use it as a write-only imperative scripting language.

People thought VBScript was more powerful. JavaScript was like that attention-seeking red-headed stepchild that you see at family reunions.

There's a good reason Douglas Crockford re-introduced JavaScript as "the wwwrld's most misunderstood programming language." He saw beauty within that others didn't.

Zababa4y ago

That's something I don't really understand. The language is a garbage-collected C-like. If you don't abuse objects/this/.call, plain Javascript is very readable. What made it a "write-only imperative scripting language"?

TimTheTinkerOP4y ago

If you look at the "JavaScripts" that were floating around at the time (try looking up dynamicdrive.com from around the year 2003) I think you'll understand what I mean.

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Osiris4y ago

JavaScript today wouldn't be recognizable to a JavaScript developer 6 years ago, especially when using class syntax, destructing, and async/await, among many other syntax additions.

SomeHacker444y ago

Javascript the language has actually changed in those six years.

Common Lisp, OTOH, has not... But styles of CL do change as do libraries, making your statement as applied to CL much more plausible.

zerocount4y ago

JavaScript was never a messy language, it was the different browsers that created a horrible situation for using JavaScript in web pages.

TimTheTinkerOP4y ago

Actually it was very messy. People were encouraged to use it as a write-only imperative scripting language.

People thought VBScript was more powerful. JavaScript was like that attention-seeking red-headed stepchild that you see at family reunions.

There's a good reason Douglas Crockford re-introduced JavaScript as "the wwwrld's most misunderstood programming language." He saw beauty within that others didn't.

Zababa4y ago

TimTheTinkerOP4y ago

If you look at the "JavaScripts" that were floating around at the time (try looking up dynamicdrive.com from around the year 2003) I think you'll understand what I mean.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse