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0 pointsselfhoster114y ago0 comments

All shared hosts already come with LAMP pre-configured. You just plug already supplied credentials into the WordPress setup page and that's it.

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herbst4y ago

So does ex. heroku for all the other languages, and that actually scales. As well as most shared hosters offering node and rails.

Don't get me wrong, my whole point is that this 'simplicity' is given in any ecosystem these days.

Except live coding via FTP is something you consider part of the simplicity, then you are stuck with PHP :)

omnimus4y ago

This is not accurate. While some shared hosts offer node or rails you will be limited by memory and it might not even run your app. The reason PHP is so good for shared hosting is that it runs per request and when you have rarely visited PHP application it requires basically no resources. You can have 100s of small websites sharing resources that get few visitors a day on single server and it will be fine. Try doing that with node or rails which are application servers that need to run all the time.

Heroku is fine but imagine you are agency managing 50 small sites. Heroku is like 7usd month minimum? You can pay 350usd month for Heroku or put it all on 20usd VPS and result will be same.

That's why all self-hosted CMSes worth something are in PHP world and there are very few in python/rails/node.

Also its not like PHP devs have been living under a rock for 20 years and don't want nice things. Git deployment is offered even by many shared hostings, people use SFTP+rsync, or things like https://deployer.org/. And there is very active market of server management tools like https://forge.laravel.com/ https://ploi.io/ https://moss.sh/ that combined with attributes of PHP will give you your own little super easy heroku.

And scaling... well most people don't need scale, you scale CMSes by caching anyway. And you can run pretty big scale just on one machine. And if you want automatic extreme scaling it's not like you can't do that with PHP https://vapor.laravel.com/

herbst4y ago

I was just using generic examples.

However the way rails apps works with phusion passenger is exactly what you are explaining. I can run hundreds of apps next to each other on a tiny VM. Once a app is loaded I don't have to rebuild the state on each request, if it is not needed anymore (or rather another app needs the resources more) it gets unloaded again.

Setting up passenger, nginx and git for pushing is also a job of 10 minutes max.

I get there is a market for PHP, I too recommend wordpress when I don't want to code something for someone. I just don't see it's 'simplicity' as argument.

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herbst4y ago

So does ex. heroku for all the other languages, and that actually scales. As well as most shared hosters offering node and rails.

Don't get me wrong, my whole point is that this 'simplicity' is given in any ecosystem these days.

Except live coding via FTP is something you consider part of the simplicity, then you are stuck with PHP :)

omnimus4y ago

Heroku is fine but imagine you are agency managing 50 small sites. Heroku is like 7usd month minimum? You can pay 350usd month for Heroku or put it all on 20usd VPS and result will be same.

That's why all self-hosted CMSes worth something are in PHP world and there are very few in python/rails/node.

herbst4y ago

I was just using generic examples.

Setting up passenger, nginx and git for pushing is also a job of 10 minutes max.

I get there is a market for PHP, I too recommend wordpress when I don't want to code something for someone. I just don't see it's 'simplicity' as argument.

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