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0 pointssangnoir4y ago0 comments

> You talk about it being public knowledge that there is an ‘asterisk’ by ‘we the people’, as if slavery was some secret

This sentence is logically inconsistent. Slavery was no secret that is why it is public knowledge that people have been treated unequally from the very beginning.

I have been very explicit - no innuendo. The Dred Scott ruling cemented that people like Dred were not considered citizens.

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zepto4y ago

Right, but there was never an asterisk. There was slavery, and a set of ideals which were ultimately incompatible with it, and a bunch of people who wanted to keep profiting from it.

No asterisks. Just a disagreement which was settled by a war.

sangnoirOP4y ago

> Just a disagreement which was settled by a war.

This brushes over a lot history - there barely was an abolitionist movement when the constitution was written, and you missed the 3/5 compromise (and compromise means there's agreement). "We the people*" was definitely asterisked with "Slaves excluded", and updated a little later - with consent of northern states - to "slaves are 3/5ths people"

zepto4y ago

It wasn’t asterisked with anything. Slaves were excluded.

Compromise doesn’t mean people ‘agree’ on some truth. You can twist language to make the claim that everyone agreed with slavery, but that is clearly a dishonest claim.

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0 pointssangnoir4y ago0 comments

> You talk about it being public knowledge that there is an ‘asterisk’ by ‘we the people’, as if slavery was some secret

This sentence is logically inconsistent. Slavery was no secret that is why it is public knowledge that people have been treated unequally from the very beginning.

I have been very explicit - no innuendo. The Dred Scott ruling cemented that people like Dred were not considered citizens.

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zepto4y ago

Right, but there was never an asterisk. There was slavery, and a set of ideals which were ultimately incompatible with it, and a bunch of people who wanted to keep profiting from it.

No asterisks. Just a disagreement which was settled by a war.

sangnoirOP4y ago

> Just a disagreement which was settled by a war.

zepto4y ago

It wasn’t asterisked with anything. Slaves were excluded.

Compromise doesn’t mean people ‘agree’ on some truth. You can twist language to make the claim that everyone agreed with slavery, but that is clearly a dishonest claim.

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