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0 pointsmontblanc4y ago0 comments

mostly this. The "counter terrorism" is a bit of a click-bait. There's no NSA type surveillance with sophisticated machine learning algorithms going on (these are unneedded), its simple tools any police department in any modern country has and uses.

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morsch4y ago

Collecting and keeping this data isn't something any police department is capable or permitted to do. Network operators don't just pass along their complete cell tower logs to the authorities. At least not where I live.

montblancOP4y ago

> Network operators don't just pass along their complete cell tower logs to the authorities

They do under a judge's order, a lot of murder cases or other heavy crime cases are solved that way. The data is collected probably for these reasons or other emergencies. It's possible that Israel is being more aggressive in using these measures but the ability to do this is trivial and I'm pretty sure the data is there in most countries. I don't know how much other countries use these ability though for Covid purposes though, it could be that they hold privacy as a higher value than tracking infected covid people.

FDSGSG4y ago

> There's no NSA type surveillance with sophisticated machine learning algorithms going on

Hold up, do you know something that the rest of the world doesn't?

E: My bad, didn't remember this particular story. Although it hardly describes "sophisticated" machine learning https://theintercept.com/document/2015/05/08/skynet-courier/

robbedpeter4y ago

What do you think they use the nsa datacenter in Utah for? Real-time tracking of cell phone voice, text, and data, probably global. All the best cool deep learning advances seen in public are probably in play, a lot of awesomely powerful open source software has been released since Snowden. Who knows what's been snatched and classified for their private enjoyment.

Thank god for stringent oversight and constitutional protections, right?

montblancOP4y ago

I was only saying that tracking adjacent cellphones to find possible Covid carriers is low-tech. It's something that has been done since the 90s and Israel is definitely not some pioneer in the field. And it has not much to do with terrorism.

pdoege4y ago

No.

Carriers routinely back haul GPS data and angle data to geo locate users. At the time this information was batched nightly against transaction data provided by credit card (and other) partners in order to build customer profiles that can be marketed to advertisers.

Carriers in the USA provide this data to law enforcement for fees. This is a profit center at the carriers that I've worked for.

Some countries limit the commercial exploitation of this data, some require judicial involvement. I don't know of any country that does not avail themselves to this data.

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morsch4y ago

montblancOP4y ago

> Network operators don't just pass along their complete cell tower logs to the authorities

FDSGSG4y ago

> There's no NSA type surveillance with sophisticated machine learning algorithms going on

Hold up, do you know something that the rest of the world doesn't?

E: My bad, didn't remember this particular story. Although it hardly describes "sophisticated" machine learning https://theintercept.com/document/2015/05/08/skynet-courier/

robbedpeter4y ago

Thank god for stringent oversight and constitutional protections, right?

montblancOP4y ago

pdoege4y ago

No.

Carriers in the USA provide this data to law enforcement for fees. This is a profit center at the carriers that I've worked for.

Some countries limit the commercial exploitation of this data, some require judicial involvement. I don't know of any country that does not avail themselves to this data.

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