The Jim Keller interview is a wonderful example, listen to the first one. I don't want to re-listen to pull out specific time codes. The first time I listened I was actually interested, I wasn't listening with intent to create time coded indictment of Lex. If you are regular listener and you like his show, I doubt you would ever agree with my take even if I offered you all the proof in the world, because ultimately it's subjective. I say he remains silent and switches topics because he is dumb, but clever enough to be a good bullshit artist. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt.