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0 pointsslibhb4y ago0 comments

> But could you imagine if we spoke about corporations in this manner? "I've worked for corporations and they are a mixed bag. In practice, they often abuse their employees. I've personally witnessed bosses who contributed nothing for years and just played politics."

Who doesn't talk about corporations in this manner? Doesn't everyone?

> Unions are democratically controlled worker organizations. Like democratic nations, they can contain abusers, they can be inefficient, and they can fail to solve problems effectively. But like democratic nations, they provide a powerful resistance to authoritarian abuse and on balance improve the quality of life for their people.

Democracy doesn't make sense in every situation. It makes sense for countries because we are born into citizenship. If you dislike a company you can just leave.

In situations where you can't "just leave," unions may make sense. Google is not an example of this. Everyone who works at Google could leave and find a job elsewhere tomorrow.

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pydry4y ago

>Who doesn't talk about corporations in this manner?

Corporations are usually horrendously corrupt so we should abolish them all?

No. Bit of a fringe view, that.

The rule is, if it's a court, company, government, NGO or serbian tennis club then corruption should be met with reform.

In the predominantly investor owned media, corruption in unions leads to calls to abolish them. It's standard.

ThrowawayR24y ago

> "Corporations are usually horrendously corrupt so we should abolish them all?"

People voluntarily don't work for corporations whose mission or behavior is incompatible with their values; they do not have that option with unionization. If the union allows workers to not join the union, not charge dues for being an non-member, and not support them, then nobody would have a problem with them.

pmyteh4y ago

FWIW in the UK it's a legal right not to join or support unions (closed shops are outlawed), and unions can't charge non-members dues (no agency shops either). Lots of people (both company-owners and ordinary citizens) have problems with them anyway. Somebody in my industry recently left the union angrily and publicly, then subsequently criticised the union for not representing their interests after they'd gone. There's no accounting for folk.

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pydry4y ago

It's almost impossible for me to work for a corporation whose values align with mine.

It's really really easy to work in a non unionized workplace if thats what you want.

whimsicalism4y ago

? This seems like a perfectly symmetric arrangement to me.

> People voluntarily don't work for corporations whose mission or behavior is incompatible with their values

And so if that corporation has signed a security clause agreement with a union, they are free to not work with that corporation.

Unions do not force workers to join a union shop, just as those people are free to not work for corporations whose mission is incompatible with their values, they are also free to not work for corporations subject to a union security clause that their owners voluntarily signed.

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0 pointsslibhb4y ago0 comments

Who doesn't talk about corporations in this manner? Doesn't everyone?

Democracy doesn't make sense in every situation. It makes sense for countries because we are born into citizenship. If you dislike a company you can just leave.

In situations where you can't "just leave," unions may make sense. Google is not an example of this. Everyone who works at Google could leave and find a job elsewhere tomorrow.

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pydry4y ago

>Who doesn't talk about corporations in this manner?

Corporations are usually horrendously corrupt so we should abolish them all?

No. Bit of a fringe view, that.

The rule is, if it's a court, company, government, NGO or serbian tennis club then corruption should be met with reform.

In the predominantly investor owned media, corruption in unions leads to calls to abolish them. It's standard.

ThrowawayR24y ago

> "Corporations are usually horrendously corrupt so we should abolish them all?"

pmyteh4y ago

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pydry4y ago

It's almost impossible for me to work for a corporation whose values align with mine.

It's really really easy to work in a non unionized workplace if thats what you want.

whimsicalism4y ago

? This seems like a perfectly symmetric arrangement to me.

> People voluntarily don't work for corporations whose mission or behavior is incompatible with their values

And so if that corporation has signed a security clause agreement with a union, they are free to not work with that corporation.

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