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0 pointsmrkurt4y ago0 comments

This is true, but we aren't going to bill per request. We really can't, since we support arbitrary UDP and TCP services.

I don't really want to promise anything we haven't shipped yet. But my perfect cloud service (a) charges me when VMs are alive and (b) gives me the tools I need to create/remove/stop/start/suspend/resume VMs based on either network activity or metrics.

One flaw of Fly.io right now is that it's relatively expensive to run a side project in 10+ regions. Most apps benefit from 10+ regions, but $50/mo to try it out is prohibitive. We want to make this more accessible.

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onphonenow4y ago

I actually worry you are undervaluing yourselves. $50 is fine for 10 regions as a data point from where I sit though I wouldn’t object to less

mrkurtOP4y ago

Oh don't you worry. We can extract large sums of money from big companies.

onphonenow4y ago

Big places have bet pretty big on docker.

Docker also seems like the quickest option to come out of AWS (ie, ECS or friends) and try fly - so I'd continue chasing a bit of a docker story if you could (even just in docs -> getting going with Docker).

xfer4y ago

> charges me when VMs are alive and

You still need that capacity, don't you? You will have to adjust the pricing but i doubt it will cost either of us any less, whether you allocate it.

mrkurtOP4y ago

The nice thing about mapping peoples apps to overpowered hardware is that it flattens bursts. We need capacity for, say, 10% of apps to burst at any given time.

The nice thing about spreading hardware around the world is that we have excess capacity wherever it's dark. If you're doing latency insensitive work like batch jobs, we can schedule it somewhere that would otherwise be idle.

Aggregate capacity is smaller than the sum of the individual apps capacity requirements. So we both benefit.

andy_ppp4y ago

Can you scale each region based on usage i.e. have a huge server in US or Europe and a tiny one in a market you don't have many users in? fly.io is really an incredible piece of work, I'll probably just default to it as I am a massive Elixir fanboy :-)

As others have said $50 seems a very low starting point but if you can make it cheaper why not, just means you've helped more people onto your service and they will grow with you.

mrkurtOP4y ago

Autoscaling and balancing regions is something we launched with, but it ended up not making much sense. Our load balance sends traffic to the next nearest region when an app is too busy. It's usually better to spread capacity around to lower latency for users, and then eat the additional latency when a region gets overloaded.

In most cases "the next nearest region" is less than 15ms away.

mike_d4y ago

Is arbitrary UDP working now?

I don't fault you guys for being a growing startup (we have all been there), but it would be awesome to have a way to flag an issue as "email me when this is fixed so I can come back."

tptacek4y ago

Arbitrary UDP has worked since we launched UDP; it's never had a port filter or anything.

mike_d4y ago

My bad, it was v6 UDP I was thinking of?

I'm a big fan of Fly and have one medium-sized app deployed to it. Just waiting on this specific issue before deploying more: https://community.fly.io/t/allow-non-root-users-to-write-to-...

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dmw_ng4y ago

Would love to know what kind of approach you're taking for usage-based. Cold start every time, or some container/criu/VM suspend/resume magic?

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onphonenow4y ago

I actually worry you are undervaluing yourselves. $50 is fine for 10 regions as a data point from where I sit though I wouldn’t object to less

mrkurtOP4y ago

Oh don't you worry. We can extract large sums of money from big companies.

onphonenow4y ago

Big places have bet pretty big on docker.

xfer4y ago

> charges me when VMs are alive and

You still need that capacity, don't you? You will have to adjust the pricing but i doubt it will cost either of us any less, whether you allocate it.

mrkurtOP4y ago

The nice thing about mapping peoples apps to overpowered hardware is that it flattens bursts. We need capacity for, say, 10% of apps to burst at any given time.

Aggregate capacity is smaller than the sum of the individual apps capacity requirements. So we both benefit.

andy_ppp4y ago

As others have said $50 seems a very low starting point but if you can make it cheaper why not, just means you've helped more people onto your service and they will grow with you.

mrkurtOP4y ago

In most cases "the next nearest region" is less than 15ms away.

mike_d4y ago

Is arbitrary UDP working now?

I don't fault you guys for being a growing startup (we have all been there), but it would be awesome to have a way to flag an issue as "email me when this is fixed so I can come back."

tptacek4y ago

Arbitrary UDP has worked since we launched UDP; it's never had a port filter or anything.

mike_d4y ago

My bad, it was v6 UDP I was thinking of?

I'm a big fan of Fly and have one medium-sized app deployed to it. Just waiting on this specific issue before deploying more: https://community.fly.io/t/allow-non-root-users-to-write-to-...

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dmw_ng4y ago

Would love to know what kind of approach you're taking for usage-based. Cold start every time, or some container/criu/VM suspend/resume magic?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse