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0 pointsfuzzy24y ago0 comments

That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

Also, as you can see in a screenshot on TFA: Some services are simply dirt cheap. The storage account and its various “sub-services” is such a thing. It’s hard to compete with dedicated hardware here.

Depending on your dedicated hosting provider, the traffic cost trap exists, too. Hetzner is a bit of a special case.

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ghughes4y ago

> ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc

These things are now trivial enough that it doesn't make sense to pay 10x the cost of bare metal for a cloud provider to solve them for you unless you have a crazy amount of runway or absolutely no idea what you're doing.

snovv_crash4y ago

Or unless your traffic is so low that the marginal cost differences are something you can swallow.

I've been running something on AppEngine for 10 years and it costs me less than $1 a month. Not sure I could find a cheaper VPS.

On the other hand, I also manage a Mediawiki install, and a cheap Hetzner VPS works great for this.

sildur4y ago

> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

apt install unattended-upgrades. And Hetzner's firewall.

dx0344y ago

And cloudflare tunnel which allows you to block even ports 80 and 443. The only attack vector is then through ssh but with passwords disabled I wouldn't worry too much about that.

speedgoose4y ago

By the way, unattended-upgrades is enabled by default nowadays.

dx0344y ago

Most cloud users will have a VM somewhere which you also have to manage.

stickfigure4y ago

Not at all. GCP, AWS, and Digital Ocean all have PaaS/serverless systems that eliminate the concept of VM (from your perspective). I haven't managed a production VM in many years.

PetahNZ4y ago

Even Elastic Beanstalk, which is just EC2 instances have a checkbox for automatic 0 down time updates.

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creshal4y ago

> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

Hetzner also offers managed servers where all this is taken care of, for relatively fair prices.

sourcecodeplz4y ago

Basically the $40 server becomes $80 when managed by them.

KingOfCoders4y ago

You can use their cloud offering $4/month, 20TB traffic.

FpUser4y ago

>"That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone."

Typical FUD. On modern servers and the type of software it occupies very little time. You'd spend more managing your cloud architecture.

BlueTemplar4y ago

Arguably Hetzner is a cloud operator too. I guess it's a spectrum...

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ghughes4y ago

> ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc

snovv_crash4y ago

Or unless your traffic is so low that the marginal cost differences are something you can swallow.

I've been running something on AppEngine for 10 years and it costs me less than $1 a month. Not sure I could find a cheaper VPS.

On the other hand, I also manage a Mediawiki install, and a cheap Hetzner VPS works great for this.

sildur4y ago

> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

apt install unattended-upgrades. And Hetzner's firewall.

dx0344y ago

And cloudflare tunnel which allows you to block even ports 80 and 443. The only attack vector is then through ssh but with passwords disabled I wouldn't worry too much about that.

speedgoose4y ago

By the way, unattended-upgrades is enabled by default nowadays.

dx0344y ago

Most cloud users will have a VM somewhere which you also have to manage.

stickfigure4y ago

Not at all. GCP, AWS, and Digital Ocean all have PaaS/serverless systems that eliminate the concept of VM (from your perspective). I haven't managed a production VM in many years.

PetahNZ4y ago

Even Elastic Beanstalk, which is just EC2 instances have a checkbox for automatic 0 down time updates.

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creshal4y ago

> That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone.

Hetzner also offers managed servers where all this is taken care of, for relatively fair prices.

sourcecodeplz4y ago

Basically the $40 server becomes $80 when managed by them.

KingOfCoders4y ago

You can use their cloud offering $4/month, 20TB traffic.

FpUser4y ago

>"That dedicated server you have to manage (ensure security, install the software you need, keep it updated and secure etc). It’s not for everyone."

Typical FUD. On modern servers and the type of software it occupies very little time. You'd spend more managing your cloud architecture.

BlueTemplar4y ago

Arguably Hetzner is a cloud operator too. I guess it's a spectrum...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse