We claim to, but at the end of the day want someone else to do the standing behind them while we go back to our lives. And we don’t want whistleblowers around as we fear that we will be their next target. Whistleblowers, in their effort to restore trust, become automatically untrusted by large swaths of society.
Naming makes you persona non grata to a lot of people.
Heck I'll stand behind my words. If you ever apply to a company called Anduril. Watch out for a childish manager named Calvin Hareng. This MF: https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Calvin-Hareng/-1964480350
Anduril is hiring and if you're coming on board watch out if he's going to be your manager. He indeed PIPs you if you try to switch teams, just like this amazonian ass hole.
2) I remember during the #metoo era there was a Google doc spreadsheet of bad men going around where people could add names anonymously. It got to be thousands of names long, and at least a few of the men didn't deserve to be on it.
Unless we can know for sure, or at least from a less biased source, we probably shouldn't doxx the manager?
Maybe the service leaves the manager anonymous until the review amount crosses a certain threshold... 3 to 4 guys calling him out?
Submit this to ycombinator!
Wouldn’t managers just make a service where they review and score engineers too?
We are talking about people in the top 8% of the income bracket in US. Not a single engineer in Amazon that has or is getting PIPed is losing their livelihood. If you have Amazon on your resume, no matter what, you will have no issues finding another job, because the acceptance rate by itself to Amazon is <10% of all candidates, which acts as a very good filter and indicator for other companies that your more competent than a large percentage of work force there, so you automatically get a shot at an interview and likely a job offer if you are actually competent.
The biggest drawback of something like this is maybe having to wait an extra few months before buying that sweet BMW M3 that you wanted.
If anything, this kind of stuff should be viewed as games, because that's all this is. Supply/demand of labor mixed in with a few political and psychological things. The manager is not even close to being an asshole, he is just playing the game like all the employees are. Lets not pretend that the majority of people wanting to work at Amazon care enough about changing the world, they just want that MAANG salary.
>> Not a single engineer in Amazon that has or is getting PIPed is losing their livelihood.
Can you provide source for this claim?
Firing people and putting them on PIP is just a game because amazon is such a great company to have on your resume? It's just a game because his livelihood is not effected?
What universe do you live in?
Let me tell you about how the world works. If you fire people for trying to transfer teams. If you lie and make up stories about performance because someone tried to transfer teams. You're an ass hole through and through. No one is being hated here. Just being called out, and people are expressing their extreme dislike for such behavior.
I can't believe you called it a game. This must be how ass hole managers justify their actions to themselves. It's like a bully in school calling it all a game because the person being bullied still has parents that feed him. Let's be real. It's not a game. Not. at. all.
As such, if some Amazon manager wants to fire, PIP, overload with work, or do whatever he thinks is necessary to its not imorral or makes him an asshole. An employee can just quit and find a different job quite easily and retain his kushy life.
And to be clear this works both ways - if SDEs want to avoid Amazon or share their experiences, thats all fine as well.
But to start going after personal qualities of managers because someone cant keep their 200k/year position makes you the enitlted asshole, not me.
A lot of these cases end up with the manager not necessarily having a lot of blame since they might not have full information on what's happening. They might also be in a similar performance crisis of their own.
If the entire company is having cultural problems and PIP horror stories are common, then the fault is from the people on the top and not from the M1 that laid out the PIP.
I feel ass holes should definitely be singled out so that they can't be managers again for the future.
(2) There are way too many PIP horror stories from Amazon. It is evident that managers even hire people just to PIP them later. In that kind of environment, such bad behavior is encouraged and normalized. Then this particular manager might not be significantly worse than any other person put in a similar position. If the culture is to blame, then scapegoating one manager will just deflect the blame.
