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0 pointsculturestate4y ago0 comments

> Such a military force would be facing a very well armed citizen-led guerilla response.

As well-armed as the citizenry may be, the military is infinitely more so - they have, you know, tanks and planes and smart bombs - and in this fantasy civil war-esque scenario I don’t think the junta would be shy about exploiting that advantage.

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salawat4y ago

...All of which require extensive logistics to employ that have hitherto been predicated in the Armed Forces not being on the wrong side of the American public's ire. I.e. you can handle hostile logistics in Afghanistan because it isn't that hard to get the raw materials stateside, and move them through Allied supply chains.

Remove the part where it's easy to get things Stateside, and I assure you, a U.S. military coup/junta will be fighting a two sided war as well. Both internal from the populace, and external from former Allies who in no way, shape, or form are going to sit idly by and be threatened by a militaristic U.S. Armed Forces that's even remotely controversial enough to even be considered a coup by the populace.

People forget: The Army Sabotage Manual is public domain.

The military knows exactly the hell it will be entrenched in if it ever goes against the public's wishes. They literally wrote the book.

Supermancho4y ago

In America, it certainly isn't about who you can kill or how fast. Any individual can kill multiple individuals on a micro scale and multiply that every time a weapon kills a soldier or a soldier trades weaponry.

The US military problem would be that it has to subdue a population that has been socialized to resist (to the point that it already birthed paramilitary during the previous democracy) and constitutes the replacements for that military (and the industries necessary for supply) for coming generations. Hell, once it had a democracy the first time, it still went to civil war. Thinking about the short term doesn't get you much.

Predator drones, nukes, etc won't solve the problems that couldnt be solved in a foreign land. Domestically it would be harder and longer fought.

whatshisface4y ago

You're missing a giant factor here which is the possibility that the military might ally itself with an existing civilian faction in such a way that only half the country saw the coup as a power grab.

For example, let's say that the military made a deal with <insert the most extreme sub-faction of your least favorite party here>. Then they'd have people to install into the newly vacated positions of civilian economic administration, and in that, they'd have a way to motivate that faction to join them and support their legitimacy.

acdha4y ago

> The military knows exactly the hell it will be entrenched in if it ever goes against the public's wishes. They literally wrote the book.

The entire public’s wishes, yes. Now consider what would have happened if the military leadership hadn’t resisted the call to join the January 6th insurrection — it’s much easier to imagine something like 90s Serbia where a substantial fraction of the population hopped up on propaganda supports the military efforts and will keep their neighbors from forming an effective resistance.

EL_Loco4y ago

Yeah, that's a complete fantasy. Since in US society the riot police doesn't come around with tanks and machine guns mowing down protesters, people have created this delusionthat that if they grabbed a couple of hundred M4s they could take on a government with a full blown army, and that when the shit hit the fan that army would still choose to fight with just shields and batons. There is a clip from the January invasion where a woman is fleeing the scene crying, because of the a 'violent' response from the police. I even think she just got pepper-sprayed (can't remember exactly). When asked what was she doing there, she said she went there to start a revolution. There's a passage in a book (can't remember now either) about the Mexican revolution, where a man hopped on a donkey and left his tiny village to join the armed struggle. About 5 miles from a conflict site, he heard the boom of a cannon going off. He stopped, turned the donkey 180 degrees and went back to his village.

jimbob454y ago

That's a weird argument. Yes, obviously the US government can win any engagement against anyone, including its own civilians, by nuking them at any time. Clearly there is additional nuance to this argument since the US didn't just nuke the Vietnamese, Iraqis, or Jan 6 protesters from the get-go.

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