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0 pointsVikingCoder4y ago0 comments

So eventually, we'll all just run a full copy of our stack in each of the 50 United States, plus the few extras for cities that have different laws, and then in each of the other 190 countries around the world?

Does that seem like a good balance of needs to you?

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6gvONxR4sf7o4y ago

If that's what it takes to allow locals to govern themselves independently, sure.

The technical difficulties seem so entirely solvable, in time (and with that competition you mentioned). Right now it's easy to deploy servers across tons of instances. In the future, if we need to, we can build analogous solutions to the problems you're talking about.

And where we can't build our way to easy solutions, that's fine. Those cases are probably the ones where there are legitimate local differences in what's acceptable, and I want locals to be able to decide that for themselves. It's an absurd goal to try to make it easy for six engineers alone to scale to the entire planet.

VikingCoderOP4y ago

> It's an absurd goal to try to make it easy for six engineers alone to scale to the entire planet.

That's an interesting assertion. As counter-example to that assertion, [gestures at huge amounts of the internet as we know it, which was started by small teams.]

And I'm not talking about scaling to 7 billion users. I'm talking about scaling to all of _my_ users, even though they live in dozens or hundreds of countries.

Arnavion4y ago

Your demand of having users does not supersede my right to have laws enforced in my jurisdiction. That's the point of sovereignty.

If that means I don't get your business and I'm worse off for it, I'm happy to have my laws changed. Or maybe someone else will come up with the same service who does follow the local law.

You're basically discovering something that physical stores have had to deal with forever. Gary's International Store of Chainsaws and Weed knows that it can't sell chainsaws in jurisdictions where chainsaws are illegal to sell from stores. The people of that jurisdiction made the decision that chainsaws should not be sold from stores; Gary doesn't get to ignore that. Instead he has to incorporate the fact that not all stores get the same inventory in his logistics.

If that means Gary refuses to open his stores in such jurisdictions at all, that's fine. The people of the jurisdiction can decide whether they're happy with the outcome and change their laws if they're not.

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6gvONxR4sf7o4y ago

> [gestures at huge amounts of the internet as we know it, which was started by small teams.]

Hence my original comment: The internet has spoiled us by making it so easy for a while.

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6gvONxR4sf7o4y ago

If that's what it takes to allow locals to govern themselves independently, sure.

VikingCoderOP4y ago

> It's an absurd goal to try to make it easy for six engineers alone to scale to the entire planet.

That's an interesting assertion. As counter-example to that assertion, [gestures at huge amounts of the internet as we know it, which was started by small teams.]

And I'm not talking about scaling to 7 billion users. I'm talking about scaling to all of _my_ users, even though they live in dozens or hundreds of countries.

Arnavion4y ago

Your demand of having users does not supersede my right to have laws enforced in my jurisdiction. That's the point of sovereignty.

If that means I don't get your business and I'm worse off for it, I'm happy to have my laws changed. Or maybe someone else will come up with the same service who does follow the local law.

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6gvONxR4sf7o4y ago

> [gestures at huge amounts of the internet as we know it, which was started by small teams.]

Hence my original comment: The internet has spoiled us by making it so easy for a while.

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