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0 pointsTerr_4y ago0 comments

> a lot of people discover it the hard way and most still haven't

Some of it may be "morality" component, for lack of a better word. Some people want the world to be one where people and ideas advance on merit rather than via popularity or "knowing the right people", and act upon that hope subconsciously or as a justification for avoiding unfamiliar risk.

I'd wager it's also a bit more common among software developers.

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sanedigital4y ago

It's common everywhere, I think. There's just a general, pervasive myth around "discovery". Famous artists, great products, even people with enviable romantic situations—most folks think these things were just "discovered". They don't see the hours of practice, the thousands of phone calls, or the hundreds of failed pick-ups in the process.

Seneca once said "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." Too many people focus on the preparation and not nearly enough on increasing the likelihood of opportunity.

sfifs4y ago

Every job sooner or later is a sales job. If we're not teaching this in the education system, I'd argue we're doing a poor job of teaching morals in the education system - although the American system - at least in the better schools - does a much better job of this than systems in Asia.

aaronsimpson4y ago

Agreed. Life in general is sales. Job interview? Sales. First date? Sales. Sales is more than "Here's my product/service. Give me money". It's the art of getting someone to do what you want. I can only speak to American culture, but I feel like most people feel icky about that because the first thought that comes to their mind is the car dealership guy that's trying to sell you garbage like gap insurance that you don't need. Kind of like networking, it feels by definition manipulative when it doesn't have to be.

wing-_-nuts4y ago

I agree with everything except the 'first date'. I'm trying to find a person I'm compatible with, and who I can trust completely with who I am. Rough edges and all. I would much rather torpedo date 1 or 2 with a person I'm not compatible with than string things along for a couple of months and break up when she suddenly discovers those rough edges. This has not been a recipe for quantity, I'm hoping it's one for quality.

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DarylZero4y ago

> Life in general is sales

Life in a society... where people are divorced from all material realities and only interface with the social... but that's not life in general. There are, for example, wars.

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kubami4y ago

I agree that "life is sales". But I disagree with the "it's the art of getting someone to do what you want". I'd argue seeing it that way is THE problem and the reason why people find it icky. Sales is about helping people. About finding people's pain and fixing it. Even if you cannot fix it you still might have helped them - maybe now they understand their pain better. Maybe they didn't even know it existed.

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sanedigital4y ago

Seneca once said "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." Too many people focus on the preparation and not nearly enough on increasing the likelihood of opportunity.

sfifs4y ago

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DarylZero4y ago

> Life in general is sales

Life in a society... where people are divorced from all material realities and only interface with the social... but that's not life in general. There are, for example, wars.

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kubami4y ago

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