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0 pointsrglullis4y ago0 comments

Why can't you just go around selling your data to the highest bidders and use the money to pay for the myriad of already-existing hosting providers?

I'll tell you why: because you are not worth that much to advertisers. If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer.

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ClumsyPilot4y ago

> If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer.

But if you are so dumb as to not know your data us harvested, you are a great gullible idiot, er, I mean customer.

I don't think logic holds any water. There is no rational 'free market' reason you can't sell your data, it's just logistically too difficult to deal with millions of individual 'sellers' istead of paying $supplier to get all of it at once.

rglullisOP4y ago

1) I did not say anything about not having data harvested.

2) Even if the data is being harvested, doesn't mean that there is any morality in trying to get a share of the profits. That doesn't make you smart, it makes you a cheap accomplice.

3) "free market" would apply only if all exchanged data were offered by those that own the data, and if they could determine how and when the data could be used. GDPR has shown already that some sites would rather not serve their sites to European citizens than comply with data regulations. You can bet that the intersection of high-value prospects who would be interested in selling their data for some meager dollars/year is very, very small.

svnt4y ago

I think you underestimate the training/socializing effects of being raised with advertising, and the steps toward closing that gap already underway.

You can buy discounted TVs (and in some places they are the only TVs you can buy), which clearly have advertisements on them that others do not.

When more people wake up my bet is they will be accustomed to advertising, they will just want better advertising. And if one can get paid for receiving short-form entertainment with relevant product information, with appropriate branding I bet there is a market.

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svnt4y ago

The issue is far more likely the low volume transaction (of one user) which is itself likely to be a consequence of lack of demand/reason for this service so far.

No one is set up to explicitly monetize your data with consent. It doesn’t seem like a bad idea once society catches up with it.

rglullisOP4y ago

There is no need for the monetization of data.

Monetizing users' attention is enough.

Look at the Brave model. People get paid for the ads, no personal data is exchanged.

tobyhinloopen4y ago

Sure, let’s do that. Where can I sell my data?

rglullisOP4y ago

No one wants to buy the data from cheapskates.

dspillett4y ago

The comment you replied to said exactly why this won't work: “If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer.”

Though I think “high-value bit of cattle” or “high-value mark” are closer to how the stalking side of the advertising industry sees us!

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ClumsyPilot4y ago

> If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer.

But if you are so dumb as to not know your data us harvested, you are a great gullible idiot, er, I mean customer.

rglullisOP4y ago

1) I did not say anything about not having data harvested.

2) Even if the data is being harvested, doesn't mean that there is any morality in trying to get a share of the profits. That doesn't make you smart, it makes you a cheap accomplice.

svnt4y ago

I think you underestimate the training/socializing effects of being raised with advertising, and the steps toward closing that gap already underway.

You can buy discounted TVs (and in some places they are the only TVs you can buy), which clearly have advertisements on them that others do not.

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svnt4y ago

The issue is far more likely the low volume transaction (of one user) which is itself likely to be a consequence of lack of demand/reason for this service so far.

No one is set up to explicitly monetize your data with consent. It doesn’t seem like a bad idea once society catches up with it.

rglullisOP4y ago

There is no need for the monetization of data.

Monetizing users' attention is enough.

Look at the Brave model. People get paid for the ads, no personal data is exchanged.

tobyhinloopen4y ago

Sure, let’s do that. Where can I sell my data?

rglullisOP4y ago

No one wants to buy the data from cheapskates.

dspillett4y ago

The comment you replied to said exactly why this won't work: “If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer.”

Though I think “high-value bit of cattle” or “high-value mark” are closer to how the stalking side of the advertising industry sees us!

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