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0 pointsdisgruntledphd24y ago0 comments

Ah now, by that logic it would be acceptable for the British government to invade and occupy Ireland, India, and much of the rest of the world.

By which I mean, historical presence in an area tells us little about the legitimacy of current day activities.

And even then, Crimea was a terrible thing, but it made strategic sense (the russian fleet base is there). I don't see any real strategic benefit for Russia with invading the rest of Ukraine.

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VictorPath4y ago

> British government to invade and occupy Ireland

The British government does occupy Ireland, its military is stationed in Thiepval and Holywood.

The last all-island democratic vote in Ireland was the second Dáil, which voted for the island to separate from the UK. A century on, British troops, who have been on a bloody campaign in Ireland from Drogheda to Bloody Sunday and on, still occupy Ireland.

disgruntledphd2OP4y ago

> The British government does occupy Ireland, its military is stationed in Thiepval and Holywood.

Are you from Ireland? Because I am, and this is an absolutely ludicrous reading of the situation.

The British and Irish governments partitioned Ireland, for a bunch of reasons 100 years ago. If you look at what people in the North of ireland (still part of the UK want), most of them want to remain as they are (which is fine, even if I personally would prefer the island of Ireland to be one nation again).

> The last all-island democratic vote in Ireland was the second Dáil, which voted for the island to separate from the UK. A century on, British troops, who have been on a bloody campaign in Ireland from Drogheda to Bloody Sunday and on, still occupy Ireland.

The last all ireland vote occurred in 1998, to ratify the Good Friday agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Northern_Ireland_Good_Fri...

While I'm sure that tensions run high in the Russian/Central/Eastern Europe part of the world with respect to Ukraine, dragging in inflammatory propaganda from other parts of the world (that you clearly know very little about) is incredibly unhelpful, and quite frankly rather offensive to people who have to live with it.

But, I also mentioned India in my comment. By your OP, it appears legitimate for the British to invade India right now. Do you agree or disagree with this statement, and why or why not?

VictorPath4y ago

> If you look at what people in the North of ireland (still part of the UK want), most of them want to remain as they are

If you look at what the people in Crimea voted for, they voted to be part of Russia. If what people in a region want is paramount as you seem to say then eastern Ukrainian regions seem to want to break from Ukraine and align with Russia. Russia has not done anything in the Ukraine which England has not done or is not doing in Ireland, to your apparent approval.

> The last all ireland vote occurred in 1998

The Dáil vote was all ireland, the 1998 was two separate votes, on the whole island for the same issue. Any how the result from the second Dáil and the 1998 vote were on the same principle affirmed, the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies.

> I also mentioned India

Your original comment has modern Ireland as unmolested by the British military, which is not the case.

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thesuperbigfrog4y ago

>> Ah now, by that logic it would be acceptable for the British government to invade and occupy Ireland, India, and much of the rest of the world.

Mongolia would like to have a word.

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VictorPath4y ago

> British government to invade and occupy Ireland

The British government does occupy Ireland, its military is stationed in Thiepval and Holywood.

disgruntledphd2OP4y ago

> The British government does occupy Ireland, its military is stationed in Thiepval and Holywood.

Are you from Ireland? Because I am, and this is an absolutely ludicrous reading of the situation.

The last all ireland vote occurred in 1998, to ratify the Good Friday agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Northern_Ireland_Good_Fri...

But, I also mentioned India in my comment. By your OP, it appears legitimate for the British to invade India right now. Do you agree or disagree with this statement, and why or why not?

VictorPath4y ago

> If you look at what people in the North of ireland (still part of the UK want), most of them want to remain as they are

> The last all ireland vote occurred in 1998

> I also mentioned India

Your original comment has modern Ireland as unmolested by the British military, which is not the case.

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thesuperbigfrog4y ago

>> Ah now, by that logic it would be acceptable for the British government to invade and occupy Ireland, India, and much of the rest of the world.

Mongolia would like to have a word.

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