Where she relocates to is pretty much open but we most often gravitate towards Germany, UK and Switzerland. We are pretty mixed up though due to mixed signals from all of them (UK: Brexit, Germany: difficult language, Switzerland: cost of living).
One thing we know is that we don't want to go to Ireland or something close to it. Great job market but high cost of living and public services not close to taxation (we were not happy especially with health and education). We have a small pre-school kid. So, if we learned anything from there is that we're willing to exchange a higher taxation rate with good public services.
Anyway. I'm curious. Which country in EU would you consider under similar circumstances.
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I haven't lived in the UK or Switzerland, but if you have an option to be anywhere in Europe, you might want to consider Denmark. Copenhagen is very beautiful and a delight to live in, and public services are all top notch. Other options I would personally consider are Netherlands, Belgium and Portugal, but I haven't lived there as well.
Pros:
- Great outdoors activities all year round.
- Beautiful country, every few meters you can snap a postcard-perfect picture.
- Low taxes, decent public services. Not as good as Germany if you need public assistance or want to have children.
- Zero taxes on capital gains when you satisfy long-term investor criteria.
Cons:
- People are insular and somewhat closed-minded.
- Politics can lean towards the right.
- Citizenship is harder to get both for yourself and your children even if they are born in Switzerland.
- Language is hard. Harder than Germany I would say, unless you speak French and are living in Romandie, because Swiss German is a dialect and not taught in schools and courses the way Hochdeutsch is.
- Having children and buying property is more expensive here in absolute terms, although manageable on a FAANG salary.
- Less maternity & paternity leave. Germany is the best in that regard unless comparing to Scandinavian countries.
I personally live in Germany and am looking at moving to Switzerland for the pros I mentioned.
Addendum: If you only speak English, Berlin is your best bet between all the cities in Germany and Switzerland.
UK (London) offers the best quality of life if you have tons of money to spend.
Germany is fine if you don’t have much money to spend. Don’t expect to find any luxury though.
Switzerland is great if you have tons of money to spend and don’t want to live in a big city.
Brexit has been utterly irrelevant to wealthy people, in fact it seems to have made some luxury goods cheaper.
You will most likely have to supplement any education for your child anyhow (to educate them on English and American things), I wouldn't focus too much on that being a deciding factor. As much as there are different areas in the US, the culture is very similar. I imagine being a road trip away from the language and culture of another country will provide more perspective and opportunities for education than you could get here in the US.
Maybe the company can offer up ex-pats in your top 3 countries that she can talk to for an idea on what its like?
Switzerland isn't a member of the EU (https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/countries-in-europe/eu-coun...) - but the folks I' know who've lived there liked it (minus cost of living)
I've also heard good things about Iceland - but, again, they're not an EU member nation
If I had the choice I would go for Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, the Netherlands, or Denmark. All have fantastic living standards by almost any metric, and given that it’s a FAANG job I’m sure cost won’t be as much of an issue.
I am not sure Brexit makes much difference unless you are EU citizens. Note that London is its own bubble so it would also depend on where in the UK you would be moving to.
As an EU citizen living in the UK I haven’t really noticed it making any difference.
Well, stuff on farfetch seems to have gotten cheaper after brexit. Definitely won’t complain about that.
But for EU citizens who have been in the UK for years then indeed nothing changed.
I've visited Germany and the UK a dozen or so times each, back in my international traveling consulting days. (Though only three times to Switzerland, for short visits - not enough to say much.)
German is not so difficult and many Germans speak English. I've had several English/non-German-speaking friends move there. And if your wife is working with a large company, they'll be able to help with the transition and government bureaucracy. Plus, she'll have plenty of co-workers who have done the same thing.
Germany also has good public services. There's more support for walkable/bikeable living than the UK.
Beyond that though really requires knowing more of your preferences. Friends of mine living in the UK didn't like sending their kids to gender-separated schools. I don't like the UK's privatization policies, nor its class system.
While my political and other persona views seem more aligned with German ones.
I can't help but wonder if, during those "international traveling consulting days", had a long-term contract in Germany, I might be living there now.
Are you joking? Surely he speaks of London when he speaks of FAANG jobs in the UK. This is a far more walkable/bikeable city than most German cities.
> Friends of mine living in the UK didn't like sending their kids to gender-separated schools
There are a plenty of co-ed schools.
I found Berlin to be an excellent biking city.
At one event I went to in Oxford, one of the locals had recently been killed while biking by a driver.
> There are a plenty of co-ed schools.
I may have misremembered the story. They were Finns, describing unexpected parts of their life in Cambridge. It might have been that they were surprised there were so many gender segregated schools.
The class system is overblown. Vastly different 'classes' don't mix much in any country.
How do you judge that? Germany doesn't have an official nobility class. The UK ... does.
I don't like that.
Perhaps you're referring to economic classes? I believe Germany has lower economic disparity than the UK (eg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq... says Germany's after taxes Gini coefficient after taxes is 0.295 vs UK's 0.345), so again, I prefer Germany.
Also it’s an exclusively British thing. As a foreigner you can safely ignore all that nonsense, especially in the London bubble.
Lots of people live/work in Germany or Switzerland without speaking German! Personally I'd go for Norway (not sure if that counts) or Spain.