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0 pointslenkite4y ago0 comments

You mean the claim that the Ukrainian President himself denied ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-s...

And what about Joe Biden's proud public boast that he threatened to withhold aid if a Ukrainian prosecutor wasn't fired ? (who was investigating Burisma - the company whose board Hunter biden was on.)

https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-t...

Anyways, it's pretty clear that there are different standards for different people for news that gets published/censored/suppressed and most importantly amplified.

As Elon Musk said just today: "All news sources are partially propaganda, some more than others" - when he was told by governments (not Ukraine) that Starlink should block Russian news.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499982913949081600

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ZeroGravitas4y ago

Yes, the person being blackmailed, said that the person blackmailing him, who was still in a position to blackmail him about the (now realised) invasion of his country, which is likely to end with his and his family's death, and potentially could be in the same position for four more years said there was no blackmail and specifically said

"“I don’t want to interfere in U.S. elections,”"

I don't find that decisive on the facts given everything else.

Stormy Daniels denied sleeping with Trump, because someone threatened the life of her child. It was and is still a true thing that happened.

lenkiteOP4y ago

The transcript was released by the White House and there are no threats made to withdraw Ukrainian aid - quite unlike the explicit and damning public statement made by Biden to withdraw aid, which is also captured on Video - but fails to get any publicity whatsoever as its deeply embarrassing for the favoured media darling. You can continue to speculate further but evidence doesn't fit your claim.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/trum...

ZeroGravitas4y ago

> Although the United States did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor,[5] this was the official and bipartisan policy of the federal government of the United States, which, along with the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, believed the prosecutor to be corrupt and ineffective, and too lenient in investigating companies and oligarchs, including Burisma and its owner.

You've got the vice-president on tape repeating the official government line in public? And you want this to be front page news? Why?

And why did Trump disagree with all those people, in the blackmail transcript you posted he seems a real fan of this person who is linked to Oligarchs and corruption. What's that all about?

lenkiteOP4y ago

I want this to be front-page news because Biden explicitly threatened the withdrawal of aid unless a prosecutor of a sovereign nation investigating his son's company was fired. This was the same threat that you accused Trump of and everyone castigated Trump for - which was proven false. But Biden gets a complete media-free pass for the same bald faced threat.

Biden's own words below:

In December 2015 -- he told Ukrainian officials: "We're leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money."

"Well, son of a bitch," Biden continued. "He got fired."

A classified US State Department email from 2016 shows a leading diplomat warning that Hunter Biden’s lucrative job with a Ukrainian energy company “undercut” American efforts to fight corruption in the Eastern European country.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/us-diplomat-warned-about-hunte...

I don't care what Trump agrees/disagrees with or who he is a fan of. Irrelevant to this discussion which started with a verifiably false accusation. The media has noticeably different amplification standards depending on who they do or do not favour.

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ZeroGravitas4y ago

"“I don’t want to interfere in U.S. elections,”"

I don't find that decisive on the facts given everything else.

Stormy Daniels denied sleeping with Trump, because someone threatened the life of her child. It was and is still a true thing that happened.

lenkiteOP4y ago

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/25/trum...

ZeroGravitas4y ago

You've got the vice-president on tape repeating the official government line in public? And you want this to be front page news? Why?

And why did Trump disagree with all those people, in the blackmail transcript you posted he seems a real fan of this person who is linked to Oligarchs and corruption. What's that all about?

lenkiteOP4y ago

Biden's own words below:

In December 2015 -- he told Ukrainian officials: "We're leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired, you're not getting the money."

"Well, son of a bitch," Biden continued. "He got fired."

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/us-diplomat-warned-about-hunte...

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