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0 pointsnathias4y ago0 comments

That would imply I can believe his very extraordinary claims. No dogs have ever passed the mirror test, this would be a momentous occasion for science.

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zasdffaa4y ago

Given the list of animals that have, or may <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals> why would it be so astounding to add a dog to that list?

(NB, I don't know where I saw it but if you look at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals_3> about pigs: "Pigs can use visual information seen in a mirror to find food" - someone recently found dogs doing the same; finding hidden food with mirrors with distinctly better than chance).

nathiasOP4y ago

Because it would be astounding to add any creature to the list of self aware creatures?

rpmisms4y ago

Understanding that a reflection is a reflection isn't full self-awareness, which itself is a blanket term. Being aware of your physical presence doesn't necessitate having a sense of self.

nathiasOP4y ago

Seeing the reflecton and recognizing what you're seeing is your own reflection (demonstrating this knowledge by fixing your hair, which you notice is ruffled) is basically the full mirror test which is the best test we have for self-recognition.

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zasdffaa4y ago

Given the list of animals that have, or may <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#Mammals> why would it be so astounding to add a dog to that list?

nathiasOP4y ago

Because it would be astounding to add any creature to the list of self aware creatures?

rpmisms4y ago

Understanding that a reflection is a reflection isn't full self-awareness, which itself is a blanket term. Being aware of your physical presence doesn't necessitate having a sense of self.

nathiasOP4y ago

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