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0 pointsmrweasel3y ago0 comments

There are only two choices. Either Google are no longer interested in finding the best answers to your queries. Or as you point out: They don't care, that is no longer what they do.

I cannot imagine it being easy, but I find it hard to believe that Google aren't able to weed out the worst offenders. For a large number of queries the results are all SEO spam. Try searching for anything related to health and get a useful result. It's no longer possible.

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eimrine3y ago

> Try searching for anything related to health and get a useful result. It's no longer possible.

Medicine researching on the internets always was among the hardest topics. And anyone who really understands Medicine has to write on any advice not to consider it as a real medical advice... I agree that google has degraded down to unusable in comparison to non-global searchable websites (like SO) but Medicine is very bad example to your point.

JKCalhoun3y ago

At the same time, it would be the easiest to solve with something like a "white list" (I know, not a good term to use these days). With one stroke you shut out all the bad actors.

In fact, I wonder how far a search engine could go with a curated list of "good actors" you exclusively serve up results from. Add a "search everywhere" link for people that prefer SEO hell.

BurningFrog3y ago

My thought is that the Web has adapted to Search.

When Google started, the web was honest and innocent. People linked to the pages they liked, and Google could crowd source those links and raise up the most popular pages.

Now most of the web is lies meant to confuse search engines. Figuring out what pages are good is no longer a feasible task for software.

dreamcompiler3y ago

> Figuring out what pages are good is no longer a feasible task for software.

Of course it is. It shouldn't be at all difficult to train a large natural language AI model on SEO spam pages. But nobody will do it unless they can figure out a business model that makes it pay.

Or a non-profit organization is formed to do search spidering for the benefit of the whole world, much like Wikipedia or PBS.

JKCalhoun3y ago

I don't doubt the narrative as you relay it, but I question how hard this can be for one of the largest corporations with one of the largest engineering pools in the world.

zo13y ago

Google has SO much money, they could probably afford to curate the web and white-list websites one at a time and still make money. Personally, I think Google should get out of the search-indexing market entirely and rely on website submissions only.

At this point, it's no different than an appstore in terms of volume. Ironically that's where we're heading with most websites being "3.0" and just SPAs and now PWAs even.

JKCalhoun3y ago

I should have just read your comment before replying. You and I are thinking alike.

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eimrine3y ago

> Try searching for anything related to health and get a useful result. It's no longer possible.

JKCalhoun3y ago

At the same time, it would be the easiest to solve with something like a "white list" (I know, not a good term to use these days). With one stroke you shut out all the bad actors.

In fact, I wonder how far a search engine could go with a curated list of "good actors" you exclusively serve up results from. Add a "search everywhere" link for people that prefer SEO hell.

BurningFrog3y ago

My thought is that the Web has adapted to Search.

When Google started, the web was honest and innocent. People linked to the pages they liked, and Google could crowd source those links and raise up the most popular pages.

Now most of the web is lies meant to confuse search engines. Figuring out what pages are good is no longer a feasible task for software.

dreamcompiler3y ago

> Figuring out what pages are good is no longer a feasible task for software.

Of course it is. It shouldn't be at all difficult to train a large natural language AI model on SEO spam pages. But nobody will do it unless they can figure out a business model that makes it pay.

Or a non-profit organization is formed to do search spidering for the benefit of the whole world, much like Wikipedia or PBS.

JKCalhoun3y ago

I don't doubt the narrative as you relay it, but I question how hard this can be for one of the largest corporations with one of the largest engineering pools in the world.

zo13y ago

At this point, it's no different than an appstore in terms of volume. Ironically that's where we're heading with most websites being "3.0" and just SPAs and now PWAs even.

JKCalhoun3y ago

I should have just read your comment before replying. You and I are thinking alike.

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