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0 pointseterm3y ago0 comments

It's not "twice as long" in any syntactic sense, and readability is easily fixed:

    Enumerable.Range(1,50)
        .Where(e => e % 4 == 0 && e % 3 == 0)
        .Skip(1)
        .Select(e => e + 1)

That's very understandable, it's clear what it does, and if your complaint is that dotnet prefers to name expressions like Skip rather than magic syntax, we can disagree on what make things readable and easy to maintain.

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dataflow3y ago

It's literally "twice as long" syntactically. 120 vs. 67 characters.

And again, you keep omitting the rest of the line. (Why?) What you should've written in response was:

  var y = Enumerable.Range(1,50)
      .Where(e => e % 4 == 0 && e % 3 == 0)
      .Skip(1)
      .Select(e => e + 1)
      .ToArray();

Compare:

  y = [t[1] for t in enumerate(range(1, 50, 4))
       if t[0] % 3 == 0][2:]

And (again), my complaint isn't about LINQ or numbers or these functions in particular. This is just a tiny one-liner to illustrate with one example. I could write a ton more. There's just stuff Python is better at, there's other stuff C# is better at, that's just a fact of life. I switch between them depending on what I'm doing.

radicalbyte3y ago

There's not a lot of difference if you use the query syntax in C# (assuming you add an overload to Enumerable.Range() to take the skip) - only no-one uses that because it's ugly. Also really nice that the types are checked + shown by tooling, as is the syntax.

I use Python a lot for scripting - what it lacks in speed of development/runtime it gains in being more accessible to amateurs and having less "enterprise" style libraries (particularly with cryptographic libraries, MS abstract way too much whilst Python just has think wrappers around C). That makes Python a strong scripting language for me. PyCharm is really nice too.

For real work? C# is better as long as you have either VS or Rider. Really dislike the VS Code experience (these JS-based editors are slow and nowhere near as nice a Rider) so then I can understand why people would avoid it.

etermOP3y ago

The ToArray is unneccessay, it's much more idiomatic dotnet to deal with IEnumerable all the way through.

The only meaningful difference in lengths is that C# doesn't have an Enumable.Range(start, stop, increment) overload but it's easy enough to write one, and then it'd be essentially the same length.

dataflow3y ago

"Unnecessary"? You can't just change the problem! I was asking for the equivalent of some particular piece of code using a list, not a different one using a generator. Sometimes you want a generator, sometimes you want an array. In either language.

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saberience3y ago

The big problem is that while shorter, the Python statement itself looks obfuscated, confusing, and hard to read. C# is a bit longer but way clearer.

For me, that it's possible to write such ugly and hard to understand statements isn't an advantage of a language, it's a foot-gun.

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dataflow3y ago

It's literally "twice as long" syntactically. 120 vs. 67 characters.

And again, you keep omitting the rest of the line. (Why?) What you should've written in response was:

  var y = Enumerable.Range(1,50)
      .Where(e => e % 4 == 0 && e % 3 == 0)
      .Skip(1)
      .Select(e => e + 1)
      .ToArray();

Compare:

  y = [t[1] for t in enumerate(range(1, 50, 4))
       if t[0] % 3 == 0][2:]

radicalbyte3y ago

etermOP3y ago

The ToArray is unneccessay, it's much more idiomatic dotnet to deal with IEnumerable all the way through.

The only meaningful difference in lengths is that C# doesn't have an Enumable.Range(start, stop, increment) overload but it's easy enough to write one, and then it'd be essentially the same length.

dataflow3y ago

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saberience3y ago

The big problem is that while shorter, the Python statement itself looks obfuscated, confusing, and hard to read. C# is a bit longer but way clearer.

For me, that it's possible to write such ugly and hard to understand statements isn't an advantage of a language, it's a foot-gun.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse