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0 pointsslg3y ago0 comments

Equating people criticizing folks like Milo Yiannopoulos and Richard Spencer as people criticizing "US conservatives" says more about you and the Republican Party then the people doing the criticizing. These are not mainstream conservative people. They do not have mainstream conservative values. These are people who support extreme right wing policies including at times fascist policies. Basically every mainstream platform has kicked these people off for their abhorrent behavior. Holding them up as a representative of "US conservatives" is an insult to any reasonable-minded conservative.

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s1artibartfast3y ago

I didn't say that milo ect were typical or that I agree with them.

I said that the idea was about labeling conservatives in general as nazis and justifying violence.

I don't agree with the idea that you get to punch someone in the face if you disagree with them, even if you label them as a fascist

ceejayoz3y ago

The argument is, in part, "these people [fascists] don't play by the rules, and will obliterate you if given the chance". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

I think most folks would agree that at some point Hitler's Third Reich could be opposed by force, but I think folks would struggle at exactly when to draw the "ok, it became OK to punch Hitler's brownshirts" line.

s1artibartfast3y ago

I don't think it as clear cut as you claim. There are many political and psychology thinkers who hold that extrajudicial violence is usually counter productive.

slgOP3y ago

> I said that the idea was about labeling conservatives in general as nazis and justifying violence.

But these aren’t “conservatives in general”. These are people who are at the very least fascist sympathizers. No one serious is calling Mitt Romney a nazi.

BitwiseFool3y ago

>" No one serious is calling Mitt Romney a nazi."

It happened a lot more often back in 2012 when he was running for President.

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vkou3y ago

At this point, Mitt Romney is a RINO - republican in name only. The party has moved way past his kind of politics.

s1artibartfast3y ago

Anyone can call anyone a Nazi. The question is whether someone can make an individual determination that they think another person is a fascist, and whether this is a legitimate moral defense of extra judicial violence. Do individuals or groups have a moral right to judge others and carryout violence outside of the legal system

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s1artibartfast3y ago

I didn't say that milo ect were typical or that I agree with them.

I said that the idea was about labeling conservatives in general as nazis and justifying violence.

I don't agree with the idea that you get to punch someone in the face if you disagree with them, even if you label them as a fascist

ceejayoz3y ago

The argument is, in part, "these people [fascists] don't play by the rules, and will obliterate you if given the chance". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

s1artibartfast3y ago

I don't think it as clear cut as you claim. There are many political and psychology thinkers who hold that extrajudicial violence is usually counter productive.

slgOP3y ago

> I said that the idea was about labeling conservatives in general as nazis and justifying violence.

But these aren’t “conservatives in general”. These are people who are at the very least fascist sympathizers. No one serious is calling Mitt Romney a nazi.

BitwiseFool3y ago

>" No one serious is calling Mitt Romney a nazi."

It happened a lot more often back in 2012 when he was running for President.

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vkou3y ago

At this point, Mitt Romney is a RINO - republican in name only. The party has moved way past his kind of politics.

s1artibartfast3y ago

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