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0 pointsmargarina723y ago0 comments

open source mean the source is a open (and few other points described in [0]). Vim licence [1] is GPL compatible.

It is fully open source.

Open source does not mean the maintainer is under the obligation to add features, or integrate PRs.

[1]: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/vim-license.txt

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I think you mistake the parent's point. Vim's code is certainly open source (I don't think anyone disputes that), but its development model is not the one we've come to be comfortable with. Moolenar maintains an iron grip on vim, and controls what goes in (and what doesn't) much more strictly than many other open source projects. That is certainly his prerogative, but it's also the prerogative of others to not like that, and want to fork and create something that is more welcoming to outside contributions.

enriquto3y ago

> the development model is not the one we've come to be comfortable with

Says who? There are many free software projects, with public source code and free licenses, that are not developed openly. For example, lua itself (on which neovim is based). The lua team are adamant on not accepting external patches. And that is perfectly alright, and not contradictory with neither the letter nor the spirit of free software.

dspillett3y ago

> but its development model is not the one we've come to be comfortable with

"Open source not open contribution" is increasingly seen, and people don't seem to mind, and the attitude described with regard to vim development seem less "thanks, bit no thanks" than that, so I don't imagine any majority have an issue with it.

If I finally get around to making and releasing some stuff I plan, "not open contribution" is where I'll be. These things are my toys, they'll go my way, though the source is there so feel free to fork if you need/want something I'm not planning to do or not planning to do soon enough (I'll even link to your efforts so people wanting the same know where to find it). Unless you want to pay for my time to maintain and support your feature going forward, of course!

lifthrasiir3y ago

But "open project" is not a helpful term either, which can mean anything from an open-for-suggestion proprietary project to a maximally open project (whatever it means). The correct term would be "open governance". We perceive "open" as something positive, which is of course not always true and there are different kinds of "open".

yjftsjthsd-h3y ago

Perhaps "community led" or such?

capableweb3y ago

Give a read to "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" and subsequent essay "Homesteading the Noosphere". They'll give an overview of different software designs, including the management of building those designs, in a open source/free software context.

Both development models are OK, and plenty of people are comfortable with both. I'd actually argue that most early/not-"modern" FOSS software have had the model of "you're welcome to contribute, but we ultimately own the codebase and therefore decides what goes in. If you're unhappy, feel free to fork", and it's not until lately, that some projects have decided to merge almost whatever people contribute.

Some projects even go as far as giving people direct write-access as soon as someone has got a PR merged, but I don't think that's very common, neither is the "merge without strict review" model you seem to referring to.

usrbinbash3y ago

> but its development model is not the one we've come to be comfortable with

I am very comfortable with this model.

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