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0 pointsstjohnswarts3y ago0 comments

This is bro science. Sorry dude. Caloric intake matter because in the end it is CICO. However, there are foods that absolutely make you feel full quicker and for a longer period of time and that matters as much as calories because if you can't fight off the hunger because your diet is primarily white bread and doritos as opposed to healthy fats , greens, and proteins then calories won't matter because you will 100% fail because of cravings.

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diordiderot3y ago

It could be much much more than CICO. If you want to read an epic saga on modern obesity and it's theories check out

https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p...

trentgreene3y ago

It seems like everything in that article reinforces CICO. Is there something that diverges from the CICO model that I might be missing?

E.G. it’s examples of the Maasai and Inuit eating higher calories make a lot of sense when you consider their exposure to temp extremes and additional cal burn coming from thermoregulation (along with probably elevated levels of daily activity).

Most of the nuance I’ve seen around CICO that holds isn’t that CICO isn’t true, it’s that the intake and output are hard to calculate when you look at nutrient absorption and lifestyle

nikkwong3y ago

CICO may be scientifically valid but it's useless in practical terms. People who tend to be constipated absorb much more energy from their food and those with fast digestive tracts absorb much less. Everyone is somewhere on that spectrum, so, from person to person, you would never have a practical way to assess what the CI or the CO is in the CICO model.

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toast03y ago

CICO is axiomatically true, but the problem is CI is easy to measure and CO isn't.

Different people use different amounts of calories to do the same things (including sitting around), and different people extract different amount of calories from the input. Some people can extract calories from PF Chang or Buca di Beppo, but not me. Weight control by eating foods that go straight through sounds terrible though.

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imtringued3y ago

The problem is that the body and brain operate a complex control loop whose sole purpose is to regulate calories in and calories out.

You can run an additional control loop mentally but what purpose does that serve? Reducing caloric intake while your body screams increase caloric intake is very difficult. You should instead use the control loop you already have.

jsiaajdsdaa3y ago

>this is bro science

sorry, I don't care

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diordiderot3y ago

It could be much much more than CICO. If you want to read an epic saga on modern obesity and it's theories check out

https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-p...

trentgreene3y ago

It seems like everything in that article reinforces CICO. Is there something that diverges from the CICO model that I might be missing?

Most of the nuance I’ve seen around CICO that holds isn’t that CICO isn’t true, it’s that the intake and output are hard to calculate when you look at nutrient absorption and lifestyle

nikkwong3y ago

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toast03y ago

CICO is axiomatically true, but the problem is CI is easy to measure and CO isn't.

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imtringued3y ago

The problem is that the body and brain operate a complex control loop whose sole purpose is to regulate calories in and calories out.

jsiaajdsdaa3y ago

>this is bro science

sorry, I don't care

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse