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0 pointseslaught3y ago0 comments

Disclosures: I've written a book I'm currently trying to get published. Also, almost all of my professionally-written (as well as personal) code is open source. And I have used the Wayback Machine extensively.

To be honest, I'm having a hard time getting upset over this lawsuit. As best I can tell, IA isn't getting sued over having scanned the books. They're not even getting sued over lending them out. Instead, they're getting sued over lending out more digital copies than the number of physical copies they had purchased.

The books would be no less well preserved if IA had not decided to do this. Access would have gone down, temporarily. The pandemic would have sucked that one little bit more (though honestly, a drop in the bucket for what the people most impacted were already experiencing). And... that's it. It really has no long-term ramifications, aside from whatever legal precedent it sets (if any).

I really like being able to write open source code in my day job, and I appreciate information freedom. But I don't think those principles apply here. I really do think this is just a straightforward case of an organization overstepping their bounds and getting slapped down for it.

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ghaff3y ago

The thing is that (probably because they didn't want to force the issue), the publishers seem to have been OK with lending out digital copies so long as the archive had a corresponding physical copy. Which AFAIK is not clearly covered by first sale doctrine but there's an argument to be made.

OK, well enough.

But TIA then does something that clearly violates copyright. And the fig leaf that is "But COVID" really doesn't make a difference.

And, yes, copyright terms are too long etc. but I'd actually be willing to bet that most extra lending TIA did was for recent works.

kmeisthax3y ago

Digital lending has no legal basis in either the controlled or uncontrolled format. In fact, the argumentation is suspiciously similar to the ReDigi case. Courts generally have upheld that first sale ends when copying begins, even if the end result is the moral equivalent of a sale rather than a copy[0]. And, indeed, the publishers were grumbling about controlled digital lending (CDL) before IA pulled the National Emergency Library (NEL) stunt.

The lack of legal foundation for CDL is not entirely an accident, however. First sale and similar copyright exhaustion doctrines are hard-fought and won rights of the reader. But these rights rely on the fact that no actual copying is taken place. When you interact with any copyrighted work using a computer, there is an almost gratuitous amount of copying going on. If you so much as cough on the work, you are breaching copyright. Publishers know this, and they have been very successful ramming "licensed and not sold" language through the court system.

The funny thing is, while pirates have been stereotyped as waving their hands in the air and shouting "technology" to opt out of the law, publishers have been way more successful at doing the same, even though they fought tooth and nail against digital distribution.

[0] In the ReDigi case the "digital resale" software was even specifically engineered to erase parts of the file as they were sent to the new owner so that the number of duplicate bits floating around would be negligible at any particular time.

ghaff3y ago

The history of software licensing is sort of interesting. I had occasion to dive into it a year or so ago for a book and it seems to have been institutionalized with the IBM/360 because 1.) IBM was feeling pressure to sell software independent of hardware for antitrust reasons and 2.) All of the existing IP protection mechanisms seemed pretty iffy at the time.

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xhkkffbf3y ago

The thing the publishers fear is that there is one and only one sale of the book to someone who then turns around and makes infinite digital copies to anyone who wants to read it.

This just doesn't work, even if there's a rich person who is willing to pay quite a bit for the first copy. The rest of the people get excluded from the decision making and the rich person is the only one who decides which books are worthy of being rewarded.

FrenchDevRemote3y ago

Or maybe the law is crap?

>And... that's it. It really has no long-term ramifications, aside from whatever legal precedent it sets (if any).

No that's not it.

The amount of books some people can afford is zero. Lawsuits like this are making the general population dumber, more ignorant, poorer, it accomplish nothing besides increasing inequalities and making society worse for everyone. Libraries can be good if you're into very mainstream topics, and you're fine with brushing the surface of the subjects you're interested in or if learning outdated stuff is ok to you, and of course you still need to live somewhere where libraries are decently funded and where book banning isn't a thing. All books should be accessible freely, to anyone, at anytime, anywhere.

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ghaff3y ago

OK, well enough.

But TIA then does something that clearly violates copyright. And the fig leaf that is "But COVID" really doesn't make a difference.

And, yes, copyright terms are too long etc. but I'd actually be willing to bet that most extra lending TIA did was for recent works.

kmeisthax3y ago

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xhkkffbf3y ago

The thing the publishers fear is that there is one and only one sale of the book to someone who then turns around and makes infinite digital copies to anyone who wants to read it.

FrenchDevRemote3y ago

Or maybe the law is crap?

>And... that's it. It really has no long-term ramifications, aside from whatever legal precedent it sets (if any).

No that's not it.

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