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0 pointsX-Istence3y ago0 comments

If you give me access to use your KMS key to encrypt/decrypt an EBS volume, and grant me access to that EBS volume/mount it to an AWS EC2 instance I manage, I can read/write data on that EBS volume all day long.

The fact that you own the KMS key doesn't stop me from reading/writing that EBS volume. It doesn't offer any additional security guarantees, especially if I was already encrypting the EBS volumes with a KMS key.

If I am a SaaS offering, whether I use a KMS key I own or one you own doesn't change the fact that I still have access to all of the unencrypted data that is silently being encrypted by those KMS keys, I've got access to the layer above it.

Sure, if the contract ended they could revoke the KMS key and now the data on the EBS volumes is no longer readable by me, but any backups I have of that data is still within my purview.

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vlovich1233y ago

Human systems (contracts/legal) step in when technological systems can’t. Until there’s homomorphic encryption, enforcing that you’re using their key can give them piece of mind that they can revoke it. While true that you could be doing anything with that data, a contract in good standing and normal human ethics probably adds a high degree of likelihood that you’re not. However, if the relationship sours, they want the freedom to revoke quickly without needing your good will. If your backups aren’t using their keys, I think you’d be violating the contract.

But yes, from a purely technological perspective security theater. They could also misunderstand what’s happening and it’s also not worth it to try to explain for you at the risk of losing the contract.

X-IstenceOP3y ago

I don't know how this is for others, but in the environments I am in we use a different KMS key for our backups so that if something were to happen, like a mis-click in a web interface or an accidental terraform destroy, we can recover the data.

It is also stored in a different location than the original (different AWS account).

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