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0 pointsmatheusmoreira3y ago0 comments

There is absolutely no point in reading any user agreements or terms of service. The following statements effectively summarize all such documents:

> you own nothing

> you have no rights

> you promise not to try and exercise any right you think you have

> you agree to binding arbitration with the firm we pay, just in case you ever get it in your silly little head that you do have rights

> you cannot do anything the company doesn't like

> the company can do anything it wants whether you like it or not

> the company is not responsible for anything ever

> the company makes absolutely no guarantees about anything

> the company owns everything

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kevin_thibedeau3y ago

I have a local ISP that lets you opt out of binding arbitration provided you notify them within 30 days from the start of service. The only customers who would know that are the ones who read the terms.

maccard3y ago

I downvoted you because this is HN, not reddit. It's absolutely not true, and doubly so in the situation where you're dealing with b2b agreements. Most service agreements for enterprise agreements are negotiable, and certainly don't contain the above clauses.

matheusmoreiraOP3y ago

> Most service agreements for enterprise agreements are negotiable, and certainly don't contain the above clauses.

If you're a corporation, you have leverage which you can use to negotiate. Normal people don't, they are offered a take it or leave it deal and it's pretty much always what I described above.

Vespasian3y ago

That is right.

For normal people the leverage comes mostly through market forces, consumer protection laws and regulations because then you are leveraging with your whole economy and sovereign power of your country.

Not as good as individual leverage but better than nothing by a million miles.

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