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once a process is no longer bleeding edge, what's the benefit of keeping manufacturing details secret?

at this stage, presumably no one would risk the capital and time required to copy the foundry while publishing details increases the likelihood of attracting more clients.

thanks in advance for the clarification on why the industry operates the way it does.

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grandmczeb3y ago

> once a process is no longer bleeding edge, what's the benefit of keeping manufacturing details secret?

Even if it's not bleeding edge, there still might be special features or secrets they want to protect. For really old nodes, I think it boils down to two reasons: 1) Clients with money don't care about open design rules, so there was basically no demand for it. 2) Foundries generally have a pretty strong culture of secrecy, so without someone asking externally they're not going to open source anything.

panabeeOP3y ago

thanks for the clarification.

assuming no one will invest the time and capital to build a similar foundry, is it fair to say that such secrecy has minimal benefits? or can an existing foundry learn these secrets and improve their own products pretty easily?

grandmczeb3y ago

There's a lot of risk for new nodes and less for old ones. Exactly how much, I'm not sure.

I guess let me put it this way - I think it's entirely rational for them to be cautious. There's currently not a lot of upside to being more open, so it's usually not worth it even if the risk is small. Programs like this are great because they hit both sides of the equation: increasing demand for open PDKs while lowing the perceived risk by building a track record of successful releases.

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0 pointspanabee3y ago0 comments

once a process is no longer bleeding edge, what's the benefit of keeping manufacturing details secret?

at this stage, presumably no one would risk the capital and time required to copy the foundry while publishing details increases the likelihood of attracting more clients.

thanks in advance for the clarification on why the industry operates the way it does.

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grandmczeb3y ago

> once a process is no longer bleeding edge, what's the benefit of keeping manufacturing details secret?

panabeeOP3y ago

thanks for the clarification.

grandmczeb3y ago

There's a lot of risk for new nodes and less for old ones. Exactly how much, I'm not sure.

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