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0 pointsjosephcsible3y ago0 comments

> they are making this choice because they don't way to pay the consequences of it. And that "cannot" is a short way to state that.

I don't think that's a short way of saying the same thing though, for the kind of consequences you mean at least. Imagine if I were a vegan for ethical reasons. It'd be fine for me to say "I don't eat meat", but a lie to say "I can't eat meat", since I'd be perfectly capable of doing so, and be fine if I did, and just not want to anyway. Contrast this with if I had alpha-gal syndrome and someone me offered me a steak. In that case, I could truthfully say "I can't eat that".

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BiteCode_dev3y ago

Being neuro-atypical, I understand the desire to be "technically correct, the best kind of correct". It would be so much better if we used each word for their exact meaning.

But that's not how most human communication work. When people say "I cannot come tomorrow", they usually don't mean they can't. If you gave them one billion dollars to come, chances are they would.

This is a fairly common convention, and most people in the English language are using this approximation and assumption.

You can chose to ignore it of course.

I consider I've done my part in this conversation, and wish you a nice day.

trebbble3y ago

> But that's not how most human communication work.

It's not even how it can work. See the Malicious Genie problem for a memorable demonstration of the fundamental problem. Chasing "precision" beyond what's necessary tends to harm communication, not aid it. Norms and context are super-important.

stale20023y ago

So then since relations have been normalized, no there would not be significant consequences to them engaging in trade, so it would be mean that yes they can trade.

Using the definition that you gave, yes they would be able to trade, because many of those bad consequences of trading have gone away.

drc500free3y ago

Someone with alpha-gal can absolutely eat meat. Nothing is stopping them from chewing and swallowing meat.

It would be a terrible idea, with drastic consequences. But they absolutely can.

josephcsibleOP3y ago

Sure. What I was trying to distinguish was between something that would cause real harm for reasons outside of your control, versus something that goes against some principles you made up for yourself but with no other consequences.

drc500free3y ago

When Gaddafi was overthrown, they sodomized him with a bayonet before shooting him. There are serious consequences to having your populace hate you.

karpierz3y ago

> Contrast this with if I had alpha-gal syndrome and someone me offered me a steak. In that case, I could truthfully say "I can't eat that".

If the person said: "eat this steak and I'll give you a billion dollars or don't, and I'll kill everyone on this planet in the most painful way imaginable, including you", I doubt your response would be "I can't eat that".

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0 pointsjosephcsible3y ago0 comments

> they are making this choice because they don't way to pay the consequences of it. And that "cannot" is a short way to state that.

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BiteCode_dev3y ago

Being neuro-atypical, I understand the desire to be "technically correct, the best kind of correct". It would be so much better if we used each word for their exact meaning.

But that's not how most human communication work. When people say "I cannot come tomorrow", they usually don't mean they can't. If you gave them one billion dollars to come, chances are they would.

This is a fairly common convention, and most people in the English language are using this approximation and assumption.

You can chose to ignore it of course.

I consider I've done my part in this conversation, and wish you a nice day.

trebbble3y ago

> But that's not how most human communication work.

stale20023y ago

So then since relations have been normalized, no there would not be significant consequences to them engaging in trade, so it would be mean that yes they can trade.

Using the definition that you gave, yes they would be able to trade, because many of those bad consequences of trading have gone away.

drc500free3y ago

Someone with alpha-gal can absolutely eat meat. Nothing is stopping them from chewing and swallowing meat.

It would be a terrible idea, with drastic consequences. But they absolutely can.

josephcsibleOP3y ago

drc500free3y ago

When Gaddafi was overthrown, they sodomized him with a bayonet before shooting him. There are serious consequences to having your populace hate you.

karpierz3y ago

> Contrast this with if I had alpha-gal syndrome and someone me offered me a steak. In that case, I could truthfully say "I can't eat that".

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