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0 pointsjoshstrange3y ago0 comments

That may all be true but I don't see any other way to frame this other than them throwing in the towel for the whole platform and/or conceding to other platforms that are better at spotting fraud/abuse.

Require a credit card, require a deposit, allow free dynos for otherwise paying customers. Killing the whole program is a sign they don't care about growth, they don't care to be where a developer first launches a hobby that results in paying later, and they are fully embracing their Salesforce persona (not a good thing in my book).

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shiftpgdn3y ago

I don't think you understand how much fraud and abuse is in the hosting world.

joshstrangeOP3y ago

I've never said there wasn't any. Just that if you value a free tier (which you should if you want to attract developers) you find a way to deal with the fraud (or eat the cost). The fact that Salesforce either couldn't figure out (or didn't care to) the fraud and didn't want to pay for it spells bad news for the future of Heroku.

shiftpgdn3y ago

Again I don't think you understand the amount of resources that goes into anti-fraud teams in the hosting world. I used to work at a big hosting company and we had a team of 50+ people working around the clock to stop fraud ontop of tens of thousands of hours in engineering time to automate as much as possible. It STILL wasn't enough. I can only imagine how much worse it is when you have a free product offering.

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Dma54rhs3y ago

They do require credit card for free dynos. Maybe it wasn't so in the beginning I can't remember.

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shiftpgdn3y ago

I don't think you understand how much fraud and abuse is in the hosting world.

joshstrangeOP3y ago

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Dma54rhs3y ago

They do require credit card for free dynos. Maybe it wasn't so in the beginning I can't remember.

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