Nord Stream pipelines supplying gas from Russia suffer 'unprecedented' damage (opens in new tab)

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2 pointsmichaelwww3y ago10 comments

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Just a week ago, an underwater attack drone has been found [1] beaching near russian naval base. These could be used to damage the pipeline. This benefits the US trying to prevent the EU backing down from their own sanctions in face of crumbling Ukraine op.

[1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/09/22/myster...

heneryville3y ago

This was a surface vessel discovered off of the coast of Crimea. This attack would be more likely done by a submersible, and is in the Baltic Sea. Unlikely to be related.

seren3y ago

If this is really a sabotage, I have a hard time to see who could benefit from it. Even if they don't want to deliver gas right now, I don't understand why Russia would sabotage its infrastructure.

michaelwwwOP3y ago

That's why people are starting to blame it on the US because we had means and motivation. They surmise it was done to prevent a deal between Germany and Russia for the winter. But Russia could have done it knowing people would blame the US because Russia has no reason to do it

wsc9813y ago

Well, Biden was very clear earlier this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

And it seems in this video that Biden called all the shots, that Scholz really doesn't have any say over it.

mytailorisrich3y ago

The party most opposed to those pipelines has been the USA but that would be quite an escalation on their part. Then there's also possibly Ukraine.

michaelwwwOP3y ago

I'm not sure what level of expertise is required to do this. If it's not that hard then other countries could be suspect

wsc9813y ago

In my view the USA has been wanting to escalate this whole situation for a while. The USA has known for years that expanding NATO into Eastern Europe, especially Ukraine, would be a war declaration towards Russia [0]. Many influential people in the USA have warned for this for many, many years.

In case the Warsaw Pact would still exist, US citizens should ask themselves if they'd be happy if Russia would have expanded the Warsaw Pact towards Mexico. It would mean Russia could easily move armaments close the the US border. Surely that'd be quite uncomfortable. Now the USA is doing the same through NATO.

Yet, through Victoria Nuland, the USA staged a coup in Ukraine [1]. Installed a puppet regime that bombarded the people in Crimea, Donbass. Prohibited teaching Russian in schools [2], etc...

The people that live in these areas are generally pro-Russia (often from Russian descent) and the Ukraine government made live hard for them. There's been referendums in Donbass in 2014 and the Ukraine government and many others didn't recognise it [3].

After years of bombardments from Ukraine the peoples living in this area feel safer under Russian governance than under Ukraine governance.

If Western governments were sensible and would really want to avoid war and hurting their own citizens (especially in EU with energy prices rising through the roofs), they would respect the results of the referendums last week and allow Crimea, eastern Ukraine to merge with Russia. Or at the very least split from Ukraine.

However Western governments, for one reason or another, are hellbent on inciting a possible World War 3. I am not sure why, but I am just glad I don't live in The Netherlands anymore - emigrated to Thailand 5 years ago.

Some people have predicted that was is inevitable [4].

Hopefully SEA will be mostly safe from whatever will happen in the near future. I do worry for my family in The Netherlands though.

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[0]: https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-follows-decades-of-w...

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

[2]: https://www.fairplanet.org/editors-pick/schools-in-ukraine-s...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

[4]: https://twitter.com/WarriorPoet_72/status/157407791270137036...

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pestatije3y ago

This is Putin covering his back: look, there is no short term solution to your gas problem...getting rid of me isn't the solution...so don't.

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cabirum3y ago

[1]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2022/09/22/myster...

heneryville3y ago

This was a surface vessel discovered off of the coast of Crimea. This attack would be more likely done by a submersible, and is in the Baltic Sea. Unlikely to be related.

seren3y ago

If this is really a sabotage, I have a hard time to see who could benefit from it. Even if they don't want to deliver gas right now, I don't understand why Russia would sabotage its infrastructure.

michaelwwwOP3y ago

wsc9813y ago

Well, Biden was very clear earlier this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

And it seems in this video that Biden called all the shots, that Scholz really doesn't have any say over it.

mytailorisrich3y ago

The party most opposed to those pipelines has been the USA but that would be quite an escalation on their part. Then there's also possibly Ukraine.

michaelwwwOP3y ago

I'm not sure what level of expertise is required to do this. If it's not that hard then other countries could be suspect

wsc9813y ago

Yet, through Victoria Nuland, the USA staged a coup in Ukraine [1]. Installed a puppet regime that bombarded the people in Crimea, Donbass. Prohibited teaching Russian in schools [2], etc...

After years of bombardments from Ukraine the peoples living in this area feel safer under Russian governance than under Ukraine governance.

Some people have predicted that was is inevitable [4].

Hopefully SEA will be mostly safe from whatever will happen in the near future. I do worry for my family in The Netherlands though.

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[0]: https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-follows-decades-of-w...

[1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

[2]: https://www.fairplanet.org/editors-pick/schools-in-ukraine-s...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

[4]: https://twitter.com/WarriorPoet_72/status/157407791270137036...

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pestatije3y ago

This is Putin covering his back: look, there is no short term solution to your gas problem...getting rid of me isn't the solution...so don't.

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