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0 pointscourgette3y ago0 comments

Not a snarky question : what about having data and config in yml, and some high level tool like ansible or terraform and the occasional bash?

You loop and branch in ansible/terraform

I hate that setup but also I have a hard time thinking of something else

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chologrande3y ago

Looping in ansible/terraform is exactly the problem. Logic and control flow in YAML/hcl is a nightmare. Plus there's no debugging! You can't set breakpoints in a yaml file or HCL.

Adding more YAML to be parsed by other YAML is just terrible at scale.

senorsmile3y ago

You definitely can in Ansible.

chologrande3y ago

you _can_. but _should_ you?

Ansible / Terraform are great when you're declarative, but once you start adding too much logic, things get hairy.

duped3y ago

I don't think there's a meaningful distinction between configuration and code in a CI pipeline. This is what people try to do, and it's frankly a massive waste.

The problem is the attempt to make a distinction when there cannot be one.

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0 pointscourgette3y ago0 comments

Not a snarky question : what about having data and config in yml, and some high level tool like ansible or terraform and the occasional bash?

You loop and branch in ansible/terraform

I hate that setup but also I have a hard time thinking of something else

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chologrande3y ago

Looping in ansible/terraform is exactly the problem. Logic and control flow in YAML/hcl is a nightmare. Plus there's no debugging! You can't set breakpoints in a yaml file or HCL.

Adding more YAML to be parsed by other YAML is just terrible at scale.

senorsmile3y ago

You definitely can in Ansible.

chologrande3y ago

you _can_. but _should_ you?

Ansible / Terraform are great when you're declarative, but once you start adding too much logic, things get hairy.

duped3y ago

I don't think there's a meaningful distinction between configuration and code in a CI pipeline. This is what people try to do, and it's frankly a massive waste.

The problem is the attempt to make a distinction when there cannot be one.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse