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0 pointsSpivak3y ago0 comments

We're just gonna gloss over, "quick your employees don't have leverage, make changes they won't like" like that isn't indicative of a capitalist hellscape? If shit like this doesn't radicalize you into democracy in the workplace then we're fucked.

Especially since right now that lack of leverage was literally manufactured on purpose by the fed.

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eru3y ago

Different employers offer different compensation packages. That package includes salary, but it also includes things like the extent of 'democracy in the workplace'.

To a certain extent, as an employee I'm happy to trade off some 'democracy' for more money in that package.

As an employer, I would be happy to give people more 'democracy' if that's cheaper to provide than more money.

SpivakOP3y ago

You’re just stating the exact problem just one level up. The fact that employers can choose whether or not to offer democracy is the fucked up thing.

Do you not hear yourself? For the average American, your employer has more control over your individual liberty than your government and we look at like that’s somehow a good thing. Like sure, if you land a cushy office job then you can forget the abuses the rest of the job market has to suffer. The railroad strike that happened this year was fought over fucking sick days and the government almost stepped in to force the workers to accept whatever their owners gave them.

eru3y ago

I _don't_ want democracy in my workplace. I want to be able to choose a workplace that doesn't offer democracy. Why would you want to remove that choice from me?

I don't want my working life to be governed by what a bunch of other people vote for. I get plenty of that from the real government.

I'd rather have strong and competent management that can make credible commitments. And the mechanism to get there is not ballot boxes, but my ability to walk away from any workplace I don't like. The ability to vote with my feet.

Just like I don't want to eat at a burger place where the other customers get to vote. I just want to be able to eat at Burger King, if I don't like what McDonald's has to offer.

Worker cooperatives are already legal in most countries. Including worker cooperatives that are run on whatever theory of democracy you prefer.

TexanFeller3y ago

> that lack of leverage was literally manufactured on purpose by the fed

As was the leverage. They artificially drove the economy in the other direction in an unsustainable manner for a number of years before that.

arpa3y ago

What starts with U and gives them nightmares? That's right.

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eru3y ago

Different employers offer different compensation packages. That package includes salary, but it also includes things like the extent of 'democracy in the workplace'.

To a certain extent, as an employee I'm happy to trade off some 'democracy' for more money in that package.

As an employer, I would be happy to give people more 'democracy' if that's cheaper to provide than more money.

SpivakOP3y ago

You’re just stating the exact problem just one level up. The fact that employers can choose whether or not to offer democracy is the fucked up thing.

eru3y ago

I _don't_ want democracy in my workplace. I want to be able to choose a workplace that doesn't offer democracy. Why would you want to remove that choice from me?

I don't want my working life to be governed by what a bunch of other people vote for. I get plenty of that from the real government.

Just like I don't want to eat at a burger place where the other customers get to vote. I just want to be able to eat at Burger King, if I don't like what McDonald's has to offer.

Worker cooperatives are already legal in most countries. Including worker cooperatives that are run on whatever theory of democracy you prefer.

TexanFeller3y ago

> that lack of leverage was literally manufactured on purpose by the fed

As was the leverage. They artificially drove the economy in the other direction in an unsustainable manner for a number of years before that.

arpa3y ago

What starts with U and gives them nightmares? That's right.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse