Show HN: Paid job search? Are you nuts? (opens in new tab)

Being unable to filter by location means I wouldn't even consider using this let alone paying. What USP does this tool provide?

The product seems only to aggregate jobs, it doesn't help me get in contact with them, it doesn't provide any assurances.

Other firms such as Oxford Knight work directly with financial institutions, akin to a recruitment agency but with competency. If I apply through them someone talented will critique my CV, cover letter, offer guidance and if a good fit reach out to the firm in question. This in it's own right prevents the candidate being ignored which unfortunately happens far too much.

What your team can do better is properly explain why I'd want to use your product. The design comes secondary if I can't see a valid reason to open my wallet :)

I actually kind of like this, I'm not sure how much I would pay though. I think without having tried it first, there is no way that I would pay personally. You'd have to have some kind of trial beyond this week so that new people can just apply to x amount of jobs before needing to pay, or something like that.

Other feedback: I really do not like that font you are using on the site. The animations and the cleanliness of the UX though, top class, well done.

Edit, more feedback: At the current stage I'm at in my career (Senior), all I really care about anymore is culture and work life balance. You don't have much here yet that shows how a company is culturally, but I think people would probably find value in that.

I know how hard is to get feedback on new product ideas, so here are my 2cent:

> What can we do better?

Explain for who is this for (it's quite reductive to say that it's for everyone who wants to get a job in tech), and what value we do get. There are thousand of free remote job boards, what is the competitive advantage of using this one? on which dimension is 10x better than the status quo? If I have to pay is because it's should drastically increase my chance on some particular aspect of the job hunting process.

> Are you gonna give us money?

No. I can't see the value of this compared to other alternatives or something that I can do by myself by browsing the web. Providing access to the raw data sounds like the quickest pivoting idea, but I don't think that it's necessarily right, or at least it could serve a tiny niche that may eventually become your beachhead in this market as you as you figure out how people use those data.

> Why do you hate the design?

I don't think you have issue with it's usability (forgetting for a second about the things you are still working on), but it's a matter of I don't understand the value of using it.

No, I wouldn't pay for this. I like the idea, but I don't think it actually solves the problem that it's trying to solve.

As with actual VC investing, I think the hard problem is deal flow, not identifying the best prospects among the deals that reach you. The data you provide might be useful for identifying the most promising companies on your platform. (Though I'm skeptical that it's even useful for that, since I understandably don't see actual revenue or user graphs.) But that doesn't do me much good if the best startups aren't actually using your platform.

Now, if there were some reason to believe that all the best startups were posting jobs on your site, based on past exit data or whatever, you'd have a compelling reason for me to use it. But honestly, if you could do that, you could capitalize on that ability far more effectively by starting a VC fund instead of a job board. As it stands, I'd probably be far more likely to pick a winner by just picking a top VC firm and going down the list of their portfolio companies.

Unrelated to my previous comments: I'm at a big public tech company, so I'm not sure if I'm your target audience, but I generally just ignore recruiting messages from private startups because the comp is so unlikely to be competitive. I'm sure others will feel differently, but I personally can't see myself using a startup-focused job board that doesn't have company-provided salary and equity numbers.

The bias in the "software engineering" roles you can search for is so strong that this search will work like a low pass filter, only bad programmers, ignorant coders and pop culture level will pass this search bias. 10X programmers, computer scientist and hackers will not find any job with this filter. Maybe the makers of this search need to study what true programmers are like? A few links to get started [1][2][3][4]. If you had restricted the search to Cobol, Microsoft or PHP your would have created the same type of bias against skilled programmers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

[1] There is still a war going on. Edsger Dijkstra.

https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd11xx/EWD1165.PDF

[2] Alan Kay SAP talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXjpA9gFX5c

[3] Revenge of the Nerds. Paul Graham.

http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html

[4] Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age.

https://digtvbg.com/files/books-for-hacking/Hackers%20%26%20...

Should point out this is a dupe, the same ad has been posted as a Show HN a few times, and already been discussed relatively recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=dvykhopen

And so why should we pay? What do we get over the thousands of free job boards?

The job suggestions I got do not match at all the filters I selected. I would feel ripped off if I had paid any cent to access them.

The fact that you have the audacity to ask money for terrible results makes me _angry_.

A few notes:

1. I like the "anti" filters. That's one thing I've been wanting on other job board sites.

2. I'd like a filter that allows you to choose between "remote", "in person", and "hybrid". More specifically, I'd like to be able to specifically exclude remote jobs.

3. Your location filter appears to be broken right now.

didn't seem to work, I selected "first 30 people" and it showed a bunch of "big/medium" ones.

> uses investor software

> The first job search that uses investor tools

What does this mean? I don't understand what is special about this site

As a new engineer this platform suffers from the same issue that most out there do that would cause me to never consider paying for it, the skill filter seems to do very little. Even with junior selected, a number of posts appear for seniors or people with 3 or 4+ years of experience.

Interesting idea, honestly. Although I’m put off by the fact that you’ve reposted this multiple times, I respect the hustle.

Actual thoughts:

1) Who is this for? The unemployed (having been one) would be too broke/cheap to pay for a tool like this. Employed engineers already have recruiters knocking down their doors.

2) Why would I use this? This helps with company discovery, but it doesn’t actually give my application an edge. If I’m having a hard time finding a job, it’s unlikely that it’s because I haven’t found the perfect company to apply to; it’s more likely that I can’t land the interview or pass the interview.

3) Why would I pay for this? As someone who’s bounced around a lot, there are a lot of tools and resources to help me with the job search and I don’t have to pay or do additional work. Such as:

A) third-party recruiters: they’ll find companies with my exact specifications + get my resume in front of the hiring manager without me lifting a finger.

B) Hired.com: I can create a profile there listing my skills and experience and companies apply to interview me instead of the other way around. I get to pick and choose where I interview, again, without any effort on my part.

When I think about the value proposition here vs ~$15/month for a Leetcode subscription that improves my chances at landing a job anywhere I apply, it’s very hard to justify the cost.

Honestly, I would “launch” (is it not already live?) this without a paywall and gauge user behavior. If they aren’t using it for free, they definitely won’t pay for it. If they are using it, then think about implementing a paywall or premium features or some other means of monetization.

I get the following when trying to load the page: https://i.imgur.com/kJByl1O.png so cant really offer any feedback, page is unresponsive

Admittedly, I am not qualified for the type of position I selected in the questionnaire, but it’s interesting that there (appears to be?) a manual acceptance filter before I would be able to see posted positions.

I set a filter of "Less than 30 people" and 100% of the results had more than 30 people.

Filtering seems broken. Either changes are ignored, or it gets stuck on a loading spinner.

Working in infosec, i always feel left out from these job boards that pop up on HN.

I love this. Looks very curated. Appears to be very little chaff.

You get a blank page on Safari 12 and several other browsers.

Remote filter?

So many sockpuppet accounts responding, not a good look.

super easy to use and i love the design!