Right but if someone stomped in here talking shit about for example javascript's verbose function notation, poor linting tools, and lack of type checker we'd be like what year are you from? We all got burned by that stuff, we all hated it circa 2016, it's all been addressed now. Javascript still has problems but those aren't it and any conversation about it includes that nuance.

Php is in a very similar situation, the difference is you can't escape javascript so we all to some extent keep up with its developments. People who leave php left it at a certain point and their understanding of its issues is frozen there. It's very predictable and boring honestly.