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0 pointsdventimihasura3y ago0 comments

> If you work for a certain company and you recommend it, you should disclose that you work for said company.

I see no good reason to accept that proposition. Moreover, I'm not recommending Hasura in this thread (see below). That would be odd, given that I have also said good things about competing products (Potgraphile and Supabase).

> Your comments are also near copy-pastes of each other

I made 4 comments originally:

1. rejecting the claim that Apollo is "_the_" GraphQL company: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34007957

2. rejecting the claim that Apollo client is the only one to use: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34008121

3. answering the question of what to use on the backend besides Apollo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34018101

4. rejecting the claim that Apollo can't "be beat" on the backend: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34018095

Numbers 3 and 4 are similar but not the same, given their contexts.

For the record, Hasura has never had serverless functions. It never had them before and it still doesn't have them now. We view that as a product decision, but you're free to view it however you like. As for your other reasons for not wanting to use Hasura, you're free to have them just as others are free to reject them. My objective has never been to persuade people to use Hasura. Use whatever you want. My objective was counter claims that I believe are untrue.

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reducesuffering3y ago

> If you work for a certain company and you recommend it, you should disclose that you work for said company.

>> I see no good reason to accept that proposition.

You should absolutely disclose that you work for Hasura when talking about Hasura. Like the other commenter mentioned, this is basic decency on this medium. Failure to do so will reflect very poorly on you and your employer here.

dventimihasuraOP3y ago

Why? No, seriously. Why? Have I tried to persuade people to use Hasura? No. Have I tried to persuade people that it's good or better than the competition? No. In fact, I only mentioned it in equal terms along with two other competitors, which I DON'T work for (Postgraphile and Supabase, both good products).

What I have done is present not matters of judgment, but matters of fact.

Fact: Apollo is not _the_ GraphQL company.

Fact: Apollo isn't the only one with a GraphQL client library

Fact: Apollo isn't the only path to creating a GraphQL server

As matters of fact, these are either true or false, but readers are free to evaluate which they are on their own. They shouldn't trust me, because I'm a stranger on the Internet. But then again so are you and so are most or all people here.

You say that if I don't disclose who I work for people will trust me less. That's silly, because people here shouldn't trust me at all, nor should they trust you, or anyone else, for the reasons I just gave.

In short: don't accept without careful scrutiny anything you read on the Internet, no matter who says it.

reducesuffering3y ago

> Apollo Server absolutely can be beat by … https://hasura.io/

> Have I tried to persuade people to use Hasura? No.

> Have I tried to persuade people that it's good or better than the competition? No.

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satvikpendem3y ago

> I see no good reason to accept that proposition.

It's basic decency on Hacker News or elsewhere. Feel free to accept it or not but know that others will think less of your comments' veracity and trustworthiness by not doing so.

> * Moreover, I'm not recommending Hasura in this thread (see below). That would be odd, given that I have also said good things about competing products (Potgraphile and Supabase).*

Even if you recommend other products, merely linking to it in a list while not disclosing you work there is distasteful.

> I made 4 comments originally:

Regardless of what the claims you were responding to were, your comments themselves for 3 and 4 are copy pasted in content. That is what someone means when they say one's comments are copy-pastes, or said another way, spam. Out of 4 comments, if 50% of them are the same, that's pretty spammy to me.

> For the record, Hasura has never had serverless functions. It never had them before and it still doesn't have them now.

That's funny, I just googled it now and it does seem to have support for them, at least a page that says so. If that's not really using serverless functions (while literally being titled "Using serverless functions") then perhaps they should change the title and clarify the content [0]. I also don't mean that Hasura should have serverless functions itself, like AWS Lambda, I meant that there was not a good way to trigger database events and if you wanted to write custom logic, the recommended way was running a whole other server, which at that point, I'll just write my own backend myself [1].

All this leads me to believe you're shilling for Hasura, don't actually work there, or some combination of both.

[0] https://hasura.io/docs/latest/event-triggers/serverless/

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23320711

dventimihasuraOP3y ago

> That's funny, I just googled it now and it does seem to have support for them, at least a page that says so

That documentation page says that you can use serverless functions with Hasura, which is true. Hasura custom events call a web-hook, which can be and often is implemented with a serverless function, thought it need not be.

> I also don't mean that Hasura should have serverless functions itself, like AWS Lambda

Thank you for clarifying.

> your comments themselves for 3 and 4 are copy pasted in content

No. I typed out comments 3 and 4 independently "long hand." No copy/paste was involved, save for copying the URLs over.

As for the rest...let's just score that as "a difference of opinion" and call it a day, shall we?

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0 pointsdventimihasura3y ago0 comments

> If you work for a certain company and you recommend it, you should disclose that you work for said company.

> Your comments are also near copy-pastes of each other

I made 4 comments originally:

1. rejecting the claim that Apollo is "_the_" GraphQL company: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34007957

2. rejecting the claim that Apollo client is the only one to use: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34008121

3. answering the question of what to use on the backend besides Apollo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34018101

4. rejecting the claim that Apollo can't "be beat" on the backend: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34018095

Numbers 3 and 4 are similar but not the same, given their contexts.

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reducesuffering3y ago

> If you work for a certain company and you recommend it, you should disclose that you work for said company.

>> I see no good reason to accept that proposition.

dventimihasuraOP3y ago

What I have done is present not matters of judgment, but matters of fact.

Fact: Apollo is not _the_ GraphQL company.

Fact: Apollo isn't the only one with a GraphQL client library

Fact: Apollo isn't the only path to creating a GraphQL server

In short: don't accept without careful scrutiny anything you read on the Internet, no matter who says it.

reducesuffering3y ago

> Apollo Server absolutely can be beat by … https://hasura.io/

> Have I tried to persuade people to use Hasura? No.

> Have I tried to persuade people that it's good or better than the competition? No.

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satvikpendem3y ago

> I see no good reason to accept that proposition.

It's basic decency on Hacker News or elsewhere. Feel free to accept it or not but know that others will think less of your comments' veracity and trustworthiness by not doing so.

> * Moreover, I'm not recommending Hasura in this thread (see below). That would be odd, given that I have also said good things about competing products (Potgraphile and Supabase).*

Even if you recommend other products, merely linking to it in a list while not disclosing you work there is distasteful.

> I made 4 comments originally:

> For the record, Hasura has never had serverless functions. It never had them before and it still doesn't have them now.

All this leads me to believe you're shilling for Hasura, don't actually work there, or some combination of both.

[0] https://hasura.io/docs/latest/event-triggers/serverless/

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23320711

dventimihasuraOP3y ago

> That's funny, I just googled it now and it does seem to have support for them, at least a page that says so

> I also don't mean that Hasura should have serverless functions itself, like AWS Lambda

Thank you for clarifying.

> your comments themselves for 3 and 4 are copy pasted in content

No. I typed out comments 3 and 4 independently "long hand." No copy/paste was involved, save for copying the URLs over.

As for the rest...let's just score that as "a difference of opinion" and call it a day, shall we?

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