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0 pointskelseyfrog3y ago0 comments

That's been my experience as well. It's pure reactance psychology. From the first paragraph of the wiki page

> Reactance is an unpleasant motivational reaction to offers, persons, rules, or regulations that threaten or eliminate specific behavioral freedoms. Reactance occurs when an individual feels that an agent is attempting to limit one's choice of response and/or range of alternatives.

When I think about the people who I know who are anti-union, they all have high reactance as a trait. If I were to try to change their mind, it would be to frame their non-union environment as more freedom-limiting than the unions alternative re: workplace democracy etc.

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i_am_toaster3y ago

The lack of empathy and unfavorable labeling of opinions that differ from your own is not something you should get in the habit of.

kelseyfrogOP3y ago

Rather, it is precisely an empathic explanation. It attempts to find an underlying basis for such an opinion rather than writing it off as unfounded. People with high reactance have an emotional response when compelled to action and this emotional response is what I'm empathizing with.

Any reading of my response as judgemental is a perversion of intention and I'd encourage anyone doing so to get curious and assume positive intent rather than reading it with malicious subtext. Something is only pathological if it negatively impacts someone's life.

i_am_toaster3y ago

That is not empathy. That is labeling them based on what you think their perspective is and using that label to reason why you understand their point of view. Characterizing another persons mental reasoning by putting it into some generic box is, by definition, NOT empathy.

Edit: I can’t help but feel like I’m being trolled, so this is where the conversation ends.

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JasonFruit3y ago

You say "loves freedom" like it's a bad thing.

kelseyfrogOP3y ago

"Loves freedom" isn't as clear of a maximum of utility as it's sometimes made out to be. Again, the association with those of high reactance strong.

I'm fully aware that there will be attempts to naturalize "freedom loving." That's the interesting thing about psychology and I suppose in this case sociology, particulars are often universalized into a neurosis. It's funny how this pattern holds.

JasonFruit3y ago

Let me put it in a less-fun way: "high reactance" is in this context just another way of saying "values freedom". Describing it using a wording that expresses psychologically-educated disapproval verbally pathologizes that preference, but it doesn't constitute a supported value judgment. In neither of your comments have you offered any support, so just like my "loves freedom", it remains an empty weasel-word.

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0 pointskelseyfrog3y ago0 comments

That's been my experience as well. It's pure reactance psychology. From the first paragraph of the wiki page

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i_am_toaster3y ago

The lack of empathy and unfavorable labeling of opinions that differ from your own is not something you should get in the habit of.

kelseyfrogOP3y ago

i_am_toaster3y ago

Edit: I can’t help but feel like I’m being trolled, so this is where the conversation ends.

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JasonFruit3y ago

You say "loves freedom" like it's a bad thing.

kelseyfrogOP3y ago

"Loves freedom" isn't as clear of a maximum of utility as it's sometimes made out to be. Again, the association with those of high reactance strong.

JasonFruit3y ago

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