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0 pointsmoduspol3y ago0 comments

I think every discussion like this should start with each commenter counting verbally to 3,700. That's the number of people killed on roadways worldwide every single day. [1]

And that's daily. It's only every few months that we see a story like this, and this one had no fatalities.

It's totally fair to criticize Tesla, Autopilot, and/or FSD, but these discussions always implicitly accept that the status quo is acceptable, and whether or not this technology should be allowed is debatable. The status quo is an unimaginable amount of human death and injury that we accept only because it's been normalized.

Delaying self-driving cars by one year comes at a cost of up to 1.35 million human lives [1]. That doesn't excuse failures like these, but the context should be understood.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index...

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watwut3y ago

> Delaying self-driving cars by one year comes at a cost of up to 1.35 million human lives [1]. That doesn't excuse failures like these, but the context should be understood.

Citation needed. There is nothing so far proving that self driving cars currently have less crashes then humans in comparable conditions. And they disengage in difficult conditions when most crashes happen.

Dont just start with assumption "self driving is currently safer" and then go on blame people for not trusting it.

moduspolOP3y ago

> Dont just start with assumption "self driving is currently safer" and then go on blame people for not trusting it.

My claim doesn't depend on that assumption. My claim depends on it being the case someday.

If the US tightens regulations on ADAS today, and that results in the day self-driving cars fully replace human-driven ones being 11 years away instead of 10, it has been delayed one year, at a cost of up to 1.35 million human lives.

watwut3y ago

Delaying self driving cars does not come at the cost of human lives, if those cars are not safer then human driver. If they are less safe with current tech, delaying then saves lives.

If they tighten regulation, they are saving lives. Also, mandating companies to put in more testing would force companies to test. Without that, they are economically motivated to make big claims, but to to not invest into reproducible quality.

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0 pointsmoduspol3y ago0 comments

I think every discussion like this should start with each commenter counting verbally to 3,700. That's the number of people killed on roadways worldwide every single day. [1]

And that's daily. It's only every few months that we see a story like this, and this one had no fatalities.

Delaying self-driving cars by one year comes at a cost of up to 1.35 million human lives [1]. That doesn't excuse failures like these, but the context should be understood.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/global-road-safety/index...

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watwut3y ago

> Delaying self-driving cars by one year comes at a cost of up to 1.35 million human lives [1]. That doesn't excuse failures like these, but the context should be understood.

Dont just start with assumption "self driving is currently safer" and then go on blame people for not trusting it.

moduspolOP3y ago

> Dont just start with assumption "self driving is currently safer" and then go on blame people for not trusting it.

My claim doesn't depend on that assumption. My claim depends on it being the case someday.

watwut3y ago

Delaying self driving cars does not come at the cost of human lives, if those cars are not safer then human driver. If they are less safe with current tech, delaying then saves lives.

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