Ask HN: Why No Standard Tablet Notes File Format?

5 pointsnot_knuth3y ago9 comments

So note taking apps like OneNote, Apple Notes, Samsung Notes etc. don't use a file format that lets you use the apps interchangably so that they can lock you in, tailor file formats to their needs, keep file size small etc.

Wouldn't it be great though if they did? Imagine if all note taking apps were just a fanciful way of creating standalone HTML or SVG files. Note-taking could then greatly benefit from existing technology.

Does something like this exist? And if not, why not?

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taubek3y ago

We never got to a point where you would have total interoperability between ODF, DOC, DOCX, RTF, etc. I think this one is even harder. Everyone want to show of as the best/fanciest/etc. HTML + CSS + SVG + JS sounds like a combo that could do it all, but then you realize that not even all browsers render the things in the same way.

So I would say that you are right - vendor lock in.

not_knuthOP3y ago

I didn't think of that. It makes me think that my question is just a more specific case of: "Why do some applications converge on standard file formats?"

I.e. Why are PNG, JPEG, HTML and SVG ubiquitous, but not ODF?

You gave some reasons for why document editing didn't converge on ODF, DOCX etc., but I wonder if there are some common factors that could let you look at a potential application standardization opportunity and decide if there's a chance it will happen or it's best to let it be...

Someone3y ago

Partly it’s commoditization (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commoditization). There’s no money in differentiation of image formats (in part because browsers dictate what formats people can view, but also because the current set is good enough for typical use cases). Note taking apps seem to think there is in note taking.

Partly it’s not true. Tools such as Photoshop have their own image format. You could even claim PDF is the format we converged on for exchanging rich text data.

taubek3y ago

ODF and DOCX are at "war". DOCX claims to be open, but it's not everyone cup of tea. I personally like it.

twaijdoftc3y ago

I believe Xournal++ will be what you are looking for (once it is out of beta).

While not open source, there's also Styluslab's Write which saves the files as svg so you can open them anywhere.

neonnoodle3y ago

Another vote here for Stylus Labs Write, you can make your own SVG templates and re-usable elements. The only limitation with it is that you can't enter text.

not_knuthOP3y ago

Wow, Xournal++ looks exciting!

Daedren3y ago

At least I haven't found it myself. I find OneNote overall worse than its "competition", but since it's one of the very few cross-platform handwriting apps, I'm still using it.

It did make a switch from iPad to Samsung Tab a breeze.

daydream3y ago

Check out the TextBundle file format.

http://textbundle.org/

“The TextBundle file format aims to provide a more seamless user experience when exchanging plain text files, like Markdown or Fountain, between sandboxed applications.”

A bunch of apps support it. There’s a list of the front page of the website.

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taubek3y ago

So I would say that you are right - vendor lock in.

not_knuthOP3y ago

I didn't think of that. It makes me think that my question is just a more specific case of: "Why do some applications converge on standard file formats?"

I.e. Why are PNG, JPEG, HTML and SVG ubiquitous, but not ODF?

Someone3y ago

Partly it’s not true. Tools such as Photoshop have their own image format. You could even claim PDF is the format we converged on for exchanging rich text data.

taubek3y ago

ODF and DOCX are at "war". DOCX claims to be open, but it's not everyone cup of tea. I personally like it.

twaijdoftc3y ago

I believe Xournal++ will be what you are looking for (once it is out of beta).

While not open source, there's also Styluslab's Write which saves the files as svg so you can open them anywhere.

neonnoodle3y ago

Another vote here for Stylus Labs Write, you can make your own SVG templates and re-usable elements. The only limitation with it is that you can't enter text.

not_knuthOP3y ago

Wow, Xournal++ looks exciting!

Daedren3y ago

At least I haven't found it myself. I find OneNote overall worse than its "competition", but since it's one of the very few cross-platform handwriting apps, I'm still using it.

It did make a switch from iPad to Samsung Tab a breeze.

daydream3y ago

Check out the TextBundle file format.

http://textbundle.org/

“The TextBundle file format aims to provide a more seamless user experience when exchanging plain text files, like Markdown or Fountain, between sandboxed applications.”

A bunch of apps support it. There’s a list of the front page of the website.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse