undefined | Better HN

0 pointskryogen1c3y ago0 comments

> if a complex system has found some kind of steady state there must be some "restoring forces"

I think this is one of those things that is True with a capital T.

If you start with the premise that life is valuable, it is eventually derivable. Life tries to exist, and since existence is path-dependent making a change is likelier to be wrong than right.

0 comments

empthought3y ago

I think you and the parent commenter are talking about the anthropic principle. It might be "derivable" but only in the particular situation in which we have found ourselves—and then it becomes less remarkable.

kryogen1cOP3y ago

> the anthropic principle

How interesting. Can't exactly run a placebo controlled double blind experiment against the full state of the universe, hm?

I've never thought about the universal preconditions that must be true for me to be thinking about them. This is shifting my whole worldview, thanks!

empthought3y ago

Glad to have spurred some thought... thanks for telling me!

photochemsyn3y ago

Complex systems can have multiple different 'steady' states (many valleys in a complex mountain range of energy minima and maxima, in that sense), so while there may be local restoring forces, climbing out of one steady state and into another is extremely common.

karrot-kake3y ago

> making a change is likelier to be wrong than right.

This agrees with the slightly-neutral theory of evolution. A given mutation is more likely to break something a little bit than improve that something a little bit.

voldacar3y ago

It is strictly true, in the sense that a stable equilibrium state is a potential well in a system's phase space.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

0 pointskryogen1c3y ago0 comments

> if a complex system has found some kind of steady state there must be some "restoring forces"

I think this is one of those things that is True with a capital T.

If you start with the premise that life is valuable, it is eventually derivable. Life tries to exist, and since existence is path-dependent making a change is likelier to be wrong than right.

0 comments

empthought3y ago

kryogen1cOP3y ago

> the anthropic principle

How interesting. Can't exactly run a placebo controlled double blind experiment against the full state of the universe, hm?

I've never thought about the universal preconditions that must be true for me to be thinking about them. This is shifting my whole worldview, thanks!

empthought3y ago

Glad to have spurred some thought... thanks for telling me!

photochemsyn3y ago

karrot-kake3y ago

> making a change is likelier to be wrong than right.

This agrees with the slightly-neutral theory of evolution. A given mutation is more likely to break something a little bit than improve that something a little bit.

voldacar3y ago

It is strictly true, in the sense that a stable equilibrium state is a potential well in a system's phase space.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse