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0 pointsscott_w3y ago0 comments

Read any book on the subject, they’ve done the research for you. The Phoenix Project, The State of DevOps Report.

Spend some time in companies that move slow vs fast and you’ll see the difference in their success first hand. You’ll see the metrics on their incidents and severity and customer satisfaction with them.

Oh, and the fact two companies mentioned (Google and Facebook) are two of the most successful companies on earth.

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Scubabear683y ago

See my comment elsewhere taking “people are the product” out of this conversation.

Facebook and Google and like companies do not care if they piss users off. They churn features constantly, break people’s flows on a regular basis, A-B test features so different people get different experiences.

They get away with this because the “users” aren’t users, they and their data are the product. You pay nothing to use their services, and you get what you pay for.

scott_wOP3y ago

Good thing my argument didn’t hinge on them, then. Mind picking up on anything else?

Scubabear683y ago

You used them as exemplars.

Can you point out specifically where someone says releasing up to 20x a day into production for a paid platform is a good thing?

I am not talking about the capability. I grant being able to release quickly and often is desirable. I question the wisdom of actually releasing multiple times a day into production as a best practice. In my mind it is highly inefficient and offers too much churn for users (eg exactly my experience with Facebook, a chaotic broken product that changes hourly and makes people feel like the product t is gas lighting them).

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deely33y ago

Look, you not convincing at all.

1. Should I skip books that do not confirm your point of view?

2. What if I already spent time in these companies and found no big difference?

3. So, why companies that use different approach still exists and even (mamma-mia) profitable?

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0 pointsscott_w3y ago0 comments

Read any book on the subject, they’ve done the research for you. The Phoenix Project, The State of DevOps Report.

Oh, and the fact two companies mentioned (Google and Facebook) are two of the most successful companies on earth.

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Scubabear683y ago

See my comment elsewhere taking “people are the product” out of this conversation.

They get away with this because the “users” aren’t users, they and their data are the product. You pay nothing to use their services, and you get what you pay for.

scott_wOP3y ago

Good thing my argument didn’t hinge on them, then. Mind picking up on anything else?

Scubabear683y ago

You used them as exemplars.

Can you point out specifically where someone says releasing up to 20x a day into production for a paid platform is a good thing?

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deely33y ago

Look, you not convincing at all.

1. Should I skip books that do not confirm your point of view?

2. What if I already spent time in these companies and found no big difference?

3. So, why companies that use different approach still exists and even (mamma-mia) profitable?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse