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I’m most excited about Smart Summaries — they’ll read and then summarize (even from a different language) long newsletters & those huge threads you just don’t want to wade through.
We’ve got a long way to go, so please do leave us feedback if you have it. Shortwave is much of the early Firebase team, and HN really helped us building that product :) Thanks in advance!
Literally people's most private messages, and even privileged conversations, are being shared with a 3rd party. One with no track record, no audits, not much in the way of controls. Hard pass.
There will be a breach of OpenAI one day. The only question is if it's your emails that will be leaked.
What is one more?
Going from 0 to 9 USD / month is steep. Apparently, everyone has Silicon Valley salaries now, for some app.
EDIT: apparently, they changed the title. props for that. :)
A feature like that could make the $9/month more compelling. What I’d really love is that plus the ability for the client to work fully independently of Shortwave’s servers, so that when they invariably get acquired I can continue to use it.
Also yes, attention is nice for a small young startup fighting against a bunch of giant companies who've been doing email for decades. Marketing is indeed a thing :) But we stand by Smart Summaries as a feature that actually makes your email experience better and faster. And we plan to build more soon.
>Shortwave's most prominent action is done — akin to archiving on other email apps — because it's the recommended way to clean up your inbox. Items marked done are removed from your inbox, but remain easily accessible via search and the Done page.
Can you automatically recommend the e-mails that I need to mark as done or do I need to do that manually?
I personally find it very useful for answering NP-hard-like questions (Hard to find an answer to, easy to verify answer is correct), such as when I have something on the tip of my tongue or looking for a specific term/word.
It's also fairly good at summarizing, as well as generating text. You may not want to send the e-mail as is, but it can be a good starting point for drafting an email or message.
These seem like specific value add, especially in the context of an email frontend.
* Ton of value.
* GPT-3 makes it easy to gain that value.
It's a little bit like the Internet gold rush of the .com boom. I have no idea who'll be left standing, but there's something transformational here.
It sounds like the perfect storm to me.
2. With this kind of frontend, you're just adding more entities which scrutinize your email and your behavior patterns. Oh, and apparently this costs a bunch of money to really use.
3. The appropriate frontend for email services (even GMail) is a FOSS mail client.
Here's a list of many of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_email_clients
I use Thunderbird personally, which is ok-ish and somewhat extensible.
> less capable
Funny.
Our summarization feature is entirely opt-in. So if you're concerned about sharing your emails with OpenAI, you can choose not to use the feature. You can also read our Privacy Policy [2] and Terms of Service [3] to see how your data is used.
[1] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is... [2] https://www.shortwave.com/policies/privacy-policy/ [3] https://www.shortwave.com/policies/terms-of-service/
Before I realized this I was under the impression that my emails are being marked as read too.
Otherwise, shortwave strength is that it's keyboard driven. You can read, delete, label emails all via keyboard.
As for marking stuff as read: this is a known issue that we are planning to address. For now, it behaves like archive in Gmail, which does not mark as read. How would you like it to work?
I opened the website and the first thing I see is “Intelligent email, powered by AI”, with “by AI” highlighted with a gradient. I scroll down and the first feature is “Summarize with AI”. I don’t fault the other commenter for thinking you’ve pivoted to the AI craze, that is the vibe you’re sending very loudly.
More AI driven features are good probably, but the whole product being AI driven is questionable.
I don't appreciate the Gmail archive very much. I have a pile of emails I want to get rid of (delete) which archiving does not help with. It actually increases the size of the pile when you archive unread emails. I would just like an option to mark an email as read when I mark it done in shortwave.
Does OpenAI keep the queries? I mean, it is just a POST request and the server probably logs it all, then there is the matter of if the actual AI keeps the data.
Edit: Oh, OpenAI is partially owned by Microsoft so unlikely at this point. The real tech here is OpenAI APIs. Swapping it out on the backend with something else could drastically change it's usefulness.
Also, $9/mo for a frontend for gmail is just way too much. $108/y ??? If you're going to pay that much, surely you'd just get off gmail entirely. Why pay that much but still give up all your privacy...
Now, I don’t know about you, but I have 15 years of Gmail history. I don’t think you can claim searching/looking at all that isn’t ‘core functionality’ for an email client.
I don’t begrudge you the need to charge something for it, but to claim the free version has full functionality is a bit misleading.
