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0 points_kbh_3y ago0 comments

> There are no good states involved in any of this. None of them care about the majority of people in any of the involved territories, who would benefit only from peace.

I think the state that invaded is the bad one, after all, they are the ones who solely took action that has resulted in many thousands of Ukrainian civilians, including children dying.

But honestly? your response is just more evidence that peace cannot be had with an agreement, you just unilaterally ignored that Russia promised they would not invade.

So why again should Ukraine trust anything Russia puts in agreement they will throw out whenever its convenient again?.

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dontlaugh3y ago

Asking for NATO nukes and killing ethnic Russians is breaching the same agreement later breached by invasion. Why would anyone trust the Ukrainian state either?

And yet states that don’t trust each either enough to be at war still manage to negotiate peace, historically. The US preventing negotiation just prolongs this war that benefits the US.

_kbh_OP3y ago

> killing ethnic Russians is breaching the same agreement later breached by invasion.

This provision is not in the Budapest memorandum so that’s just plainly false.

> Asking for NATO nukes

I’ve not seen any evidence that Ukraine asked for NATO nukes could you provide some?.

> And yet states that don’t trust each either enough to be at war still manage to negotiate peace, historically.

Historically Russia creates conflicts freezes them and then starts them again once they rearm.

So what’s different this time?, the answer is nothing, if we allow Russia to continue they won’t stop doing this.

So in reality there’s only one solution, the forcible ejection of Russian forces from all of Ukraine.

dontlaugh3y ago

Somehow you end up arguing for more Ukrainians and Russians to die.

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0 points_kbh_3y ago0 comments

> There are no good states involved in any of this. None of them care about the majority of people in any of the involved territories, who would benefit only from peace.

I think the state that invaded is the bad one, after all, they are the ones who solely took action that has resulted in many thousands of Ukrainian civilians, including children dying.

But honestly? your response is just more evidence that peace cannot be had with an agreement, you just unilaterally ignored that Russia promised they would not invade.

So why again should Ukraine trust anything Russia puts in agreement they will throw out whenever its convenient again?.

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dontlaugh3y ago

Asking for NATO nukes and killing ethnic Russians is breaching the same agreement later breached by invasion. Why would anyone trust the Ukrainian state either?

And yet states that don’t trust each either enough to be at war still manage to negotiate peace, historically. The US preventing negotiation just prolongs this war that benefits the US.

_kbh_OP3y ago

> killing ethnic Russians is breaching the same agreement later breached by invasion.

This provision is not in the Budapest memorandum so that’s just plainly false.

> Asking for NATO nukes

I’ve not seen any evidence that Ukraine asked for NATO nukes could you provide some?.

> And yet states that don’t trust each either enough to be at war still manage to negotiate peace, historically.

Historically Russia creates conflicts freezes them and then starts them again once they rearm.

So what’s different this time?, the answer is nothing, if we allow Russia to continue they won’t stop doing this.

So in reality there’s only one solution, the forcible ejection of Russian forces from all of Ukraine.

dontlaugh3y ago

Somehow you end up arguing for more Ukrainians and Russians to die.

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