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0 pointsMBCook2y ago0 comments

I have 0% faith the current hardware will ever run a real level 5 solution.

It will require better processors, better cameras, LiDAR, more RAM, something.

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> have 0% faith the current hardware will ever run a real level 5 solution

Me either! But that’s not fraud. It’s delusion. We don’t criminalise it because the difference between genius and crazy is often only apparent ex post facto.

yellow_postit2y ago

Is the key difference that no one can prove the current hardware will be unable to reach a level 5 solution?

Taken to the (more) absurd we wouldn’t have this issue if the claim was the cars could fly, be boats, or time travel. People wouldn’t buy the “capability” either.

This is a fascinating murky area and seems there’s no market solution beyond caveat emptor

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> a fascinating murky area and seems there’s no market solution beyond caveat emptor

I think so. It's interesting to discuss and think about, because the grey area is incredibly complex. (Not that we get too far into it on these kinds of forums.)

MBCookOP2y ago

Selling a product that does X that neither currently does X nor can in the future do X seems like fraud to me.

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> nor can in the future do X

We don’t know this. That’s the point.

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stefan_2y ago

I don't understand, up top you said it's just the "capability". So if it isn't even that, what's left?

Don't they already have a new, more powerful HW design for 2023 that is incompatible with the fittings for the old one?

JohnFen2y ago

I don't see any reason to think that Musk is either genius or crazy.

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JumpCrisscross2y ago

> have 0% faith the current hardware will ever run a real level 5 solution

Me either! But that’s not fraud. It’s delusion. We don’t criminalise it because the difference between genius and crazy is often only apparent ex post facto.

yellow_postit2y ago

Is the key difference that no one can prove the current hardware will be unable to reach a level 5 solution?

Taken to the (more) absurd we wouldn’t have this issue if the claim was the cars could fly, be boats, or time travel. People wouldn’t buy the “capability” either.

This is a fascinating murky area and seems there’s no market solution beyond caveat emptor

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> a fascinating murky area and seems there’s no market solution beyond caveat emptor

I think so. It's interesting to discuss and think about, because the grey area is incredibly complex. (Not that we get too far into it on these kinds of forums.)

MBCookOP2y ago

Selling a product that does X that neither currently does X nor can in the future do X seems like fraud to me.

JumpCrisscross2y ago

> nor can in the future do X

We don’t know this. That’s the point.

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stefan_2y ago

I don't understand, up top you said it's just the "capability". So if it isn't even that, what's left?

Don't they already have a new, more powerful HW design for 2023 that is incompatible with the fittings for the old one?

JohnFen2y ago

I don't see any reason to think that Musk is either genius or crazy.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse