> Like a third-world country: in America, you're better off being either totally penniless or a billionaire. If you don't have a balance sheet of $5 megabucks, your life will be miserable.

I live in a "third-world" country. My family and I have insurance and only use private hospitals -- the capitalist portion of the system. Never had as bad an incident as the ones you guys are reporting here. Just some minor annoyances.

Not even the crappiest insurance companies do stuff like that, and they get terminated by the regulatory body if they start to mess up consistently.

Although I don't use it directly, I'm overall well-informed about the realities of the public health system. It's bad, but not even close to what I've seen posted here. One can even obtain overly expensive meds for rare diseases -- it requires some legal effort, but it eventually works.

Then I'd say that, when it comes to health systems, the USA is definitely way worse than some third-world countries -- and one of the main reasons I declined an invitation to work and live in there.

> The advantage most European and other countries have under socialism is it means there's a minimum average quality of life everyone. Pay more in taxes but get a lot more in terms of a more dignified, healthier, and longer life free from the slavery of "gotcha!" gangster capitalism.

It will sound like a nitpick but it's not: there's no socialism in Europe. Socialism is an economic system, not a synonym for "socially-focused policies" through societal-level welfare.

European countries are capitalists, completely. What we do have is a better support system for welfare, more labour protections and regulations to protect against the massive power imbalance that untamed capitalism creates but it's not socialism. Not even close.