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0 pointsTigeriusKirk3y ago0 comments

So sorting by Violent Crime (Total), we see San Francisco is 37th out of the 100 listed.

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Yep, and when we sort cities by population density, it's a good bit higher than 37th. SF has plenty of problems, but apparently violent crime isn't the most noteworthy of them.

pclmulqdq3y ago

Citing murder rates (and ignoring other crimes) is one of the preferred tactics of people who want to say that big cities have low crime rates.

Police in big cities go after big crimes like murders, but tend to ignore "lesser" crimes, so as a result, gangsters and other career criminals stick to those lesser crimes, and generally do a lot more of them.

piva003y ago

> Citing murder rates (and ignoring other crimes) is one of the preferred tactics of people who want to say that big cities have low crime rates.

People in this thread are specifically talking about violent crimes, not all crimes, which murder rate seems to be one of the good metrics to use, no?

pclmulqdq3y ago

No, because they don't correlate with violent crime rates, which are also tracked. Murder is actually a really weird crime: if basically never happens between people who don't know each other.

jascii3y ago

OP isn't citing murder rates, they're citing "violent crime (total)" as mentioned in the linked article.

pclmulqdq3y ago

The linked article cites murder rates.

jwagenet3y ago

It’s the same in SF, where the most visible crimes by far are not murder, but smash and grabs and shoplifting.

busterarm3y ago

Assault and battery and armed robbery are also violent crimes that are significantly under-reported.

/s lived in NYC for almost 40 years.

rubyn00bie3y ago

Provide a link to an empirical source or you’re literally just making this up based on feels and shit you see on TV…

pclmulqdq3y ago

A useful source was literally cited in the comment I replied to. Look at rankings of cities by crime. You will find SF and NYC close to the bottom of the pack on murders, but toward the top on property crimes and low-level violent crimes.

As to the ignoring crimes, here you go: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/us/alvin-bragg-manhattan-dist...

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rootusrootus3y ago

Yep, and when we sort cities by population density, it's a good bit higher than 37th. SF has plenty of problems, but apparently violent crime isn't the most noteworthy of them.

pclmulqdq3y ago

Citing murder rates (and ignoring other crimes) is one of the preferred tactics of people who want to say that big cities have low crime rates.

piva003y ago

> Citing murder rates (and ignoring other crimes) is one of the preferred tactics of people who want to say that big cities have low crime rates.

People in this thread are specifically talking about violent crimes, not all crimes, which murder rate seems to be one of the good metrics to use, no?

pclmulqdq3y ago

No, because they don't correlate with violent crime rates, which are also tracked. Murder is actually a really weird crime: if basically never happens between people who don't know each other.

jascii3y ago

OP isn't citing murder rates, they're citing "violent crime (total)" as mentioned in the linked article.

pclmulqdq3y ago

The linked article cites murder rates.

jwagenet3y ago

It’s the same in SF, where the most visible crimes by far are not murder, but smash and grabs and shoplifting.

busterarm3y ago

Assault and battery and armed robbery are also violent crimes that are significantly under-reported.

/s lived in NYC for almost 40 years.

rubyn00bie3y ago

Provide a link to an empirical source or you’re literally just making this up based on feels and shit you see on TV…

pclmulqdq3y ago

As to the ignoring crimes, here you go: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/us/alvin-bragg-manhattan-dist...

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