ChatGPT app for iOS (opens in new tab)

Can't find the chart, but several of those wrapper apps made $1MMs in revenue too

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fake-chatgpt-apps-raking-tho...

The Chart: https://i.imgur.com/IYC0Pcb.png

>very many fake ChatGPT apps

But its for our security to have a closed ecosyste---Walled Garden. Woah there, almost didn't stick to the marketing that we were all taught.

There is probably no other reason to bring this app to iOS and Android. ChatGPT works very well as a PWA added to home screens.

its basically impossible to find via app store search.

My guess is OpenAI now has a case to ask Apple to remove these apps for trademark infringement and brand confusion. Obviously they can just rename themselves but keep the same functionality, but marketing themselves as ChatGPT is no longer going to fly.

I'm in Australia. Searching for "openai chatgpt" returns all those third-party wrappers, but not the official one.

The App Store has had a problem with cold starts for a few years now. I remember a few years ago when I worked on App Store search it was a known problem when apps like Disney+ were released and users were searching directly for a new app immediately.

I love my iPhone but god damn does apple suck at a number of things. It’s 2023, and they have a terabyte of storage but they won’t store more than 100 numbers in your call history. Like what.

To #3, to users the benefit is absolutely nothing. There are still so many garbage apps.

To Apple, the benefit is enormous. What happens when garbage apps get better ranking? Companies pay for that sponsored position. Once they do, Apple then starts ranking them better and gets to claim they "monitor quality" when it was never about quality on the App Store.

Are you outside the US? I got the same results, but then realised it's only available in the US at the moment.

They are fighting an uphill battle against a never ending wave of products that are often well meaning but named too similarly too.

Not that HN wants to admit it when gpt4all gpt4free etc comes up

Are you outside the US? It seems to be region locked to US right now, so all of the third party frontend apps are all you see when searching from elsewhere.

I just discovered this as well. If your iOS is out-dated (the app requires 16.1 or higher), it won't show the app in search result.

The web version is very far from perfect on an iPhone.

It keeps logging me out, the copying UX is subpar… And god forbid I lock my phone while I'm getting a completion back. It stops mid sentence and there is no way to continue with it. Which (locking one's phone for a bit while interacting with it) is a very valid use case if you are doing stuff with your hands and want to put the phone in your pocket for a bit.

I'm looking forward to the app.

Try again tomorrow. 10:1 odds it will be the top entry.

> ...the web version works perfectly fine on iPhone

I imagine this is their MVP, and they're going to iterate and start adding more iOS specific stuff. It'd be nice to be able to hook it into Siri natively (since we can't just rip out Siri and replace it with ChatGPT).

Apple's search takes a bit to show new apps. Will likely be very prominent by tomorrow.

I had to open the link in my browser, then use the Safari tab sharing thing to open that same page on my phone, which then opened it in the store to the correct app, because I ran into the exact same problem.

Apple store search is a broken horrific joke.

Yeah I had to visit this page on my phone and then click the direct link to find it.

> 1. Shows why an official app is needed even though the web version works perfectly fine on iPhone and is probably easier

Agreed that an official app is needed, clearly.

> 2. Doesn't actually seem to solve the problem

For now. Eventually it'll get sorted.

> 3. Puts to shame all the touted benefits of a "walled garden/closed ecosystem".

Despite having the same experience, I disagree with your conclusion.

It has nothing do with the "walled garden" and everything to do with Apple and OpenAI not paying attention to a rapidly emerging use case. The problem arose because OpenAI did not prioritize the initiative to make their own early enough, allowing hundreds of other developers to fill the void and muddy the waters, while Apple allowed these copycats into the App Store without really considering the customer experience.

Canadian here can’t use it yet. Does it have access to preinstalled iOS apps like reminder? I use them daily with Siri which I really can’t be much fond of…

I’m guessing it keeps you logged in, will scroll/handle text more natively than the web, and opens up an app for who-knows-what in the future.

It’s the right call to make.

I was just going to post the same thing. Im not surprised someone else shared but im surprised it was the top comment.

fwiw, you seem to have left a "T" off the end

The web version doesn't allow speech input.

Link worked for me just as expected.

The blatant OpenAI brand infringement in all the non-official apps is extremely frustrating.

It just further weakens Apple’s arguments for their locked down store and app review process.

How does anyone (outside HN perhaps) have any hope of finding the official one?

And what are we (Apple users) paying our “Apple tax” for when the app store quality control processes have sunk so low?

There is a famous app for cars on Android called Torque. I accidentally told an average apple user to download it to head his OBD2 codes. 4 fake app downloads later he gave up and said "this is why I stick to apple apps" Lol what

Same. I'm sure it will show up on search in a day or do.

Or just open chat.openai.com in Safari and do a “Add to Homescreen”. Before the official app, I was using cgpt on my phone like that and it worked well.

How can you create a US account? Don't they ask for a credit/debit card and/or phone number?

Isn’t it enough to just switch the region to US, download the app, then switch back?

do updates work if i switch back to my original account?

Unfortunately, the internet is getting more and more balkanized. What people see in one country is becoming completely different from what people see in another country, and often things are completely inaccessible between countries. Not to mention that even within countries it's becoming impossible to see the same things as someone else.

The internet most definitely has 'regions' when it comes to laws and resulting potential liability.

Someone will grab and share the .ipa eventually (link appreciated). Gotta love shitty pointless bureaucracy.

Google’s Bard is not available in the EU, afaik.

Are they scam apps, though? If they use any GPT model or API they're real apps.

Just because OpenAI didn't make an app first doesn't mean they're the only ones that can create apps for interfacing with GPT networks.

Your app won't save my API key. It accepts it, shows a checkmark, then the pop up just sits there with the checkmark. If I click elsewhere besides the pop-up, it goes away, but prefs say key missing, and popping that window again doesn't show checkmark.

“ the scam "GPT" apps.”

Define scam

There are some great Siri shortcuts that work with the OpenAI API.

Edit: I am using this one https://github.com/Yue-Yang/ChatGPT-Siri

Why doesn't Apple fix this? It seems like no matter how their backend architecture works, they could surely find a way even just to manually whitelist new big name apps from well-known companies to the top of search results.

Why wouldn't they do that?

It's only bad for everyone that instead there's this total shitshow litany of garbage presented to the user instead. It's bad for customers, bad for the app suppliers, and bad for Apple themselves. Totally bizarre.

The problem also occurs when searching for any low-ranking results in the iOS store, regardless of getting the exact name correct. A friend released a crossword game, and when searching the exact name of the app, it still comes up as the seventh result behind one ad and five other (much more popular) crossword apps with different names.

but this is openai we are talking about, you'd think apple would fast track them towards ranking higher at least to not make apple look terrible

I had chat.openai.com saved to my homepage so here's my finding so far:

- snappier

- search through conversation history via title search

- whisper built in for record -> transcribe workflow (does not work "live" unfortunately)

- easier to scroll through history and delete history

- long press prompt or response to copy/select text or perform voting/regeneration actions

- better text resizing support (via the control center's Aa text resize option) (online resizing text made things way too cluttered)

Probably more but all I've found from about 10 minutes of playing around.

Definitely better UX from my perspective!

If all it does is avoid making me re-authenticate several times a week that alone is worth the install for me.

It’s actually less functional than the web interface — plugins and web browsing features are unavailable.

But it does do a LOT of haptic.

Better ui experience: snapper, could use many UI/background features from the sdk that isn’t available from the web app.

Now they can start to compete more directly with things like Siri and soon Google’s Assistant on somewhat more equal footing, though neither OS provides quite the hooks for third party apps to directly subvert them, though maybe this will change with some of the more extreme antitrust provisions in motion in the European Union.

It's been out for less than 24 hours so I don't think Apple's App Store search index has had time to update the rankings. Give it a few days and I'll bet it becomes the number 1 result.

Yes!!!! What a nice touch from the devs.

Seems a bit unnecessary

Had the same experience. The solution is just to use a family member's phone number.

The phone number isn't ever used again and is just used to limit automated signups as far as I can tell.

I had the same issue; I did delete one of the accounts and -- still the same issue.

My experience too. It had one of those idiotic calendars you have to scroll back painfully so I said F it ok today is my birthday. Then it locked me out and said they can't serve me. Tried to log in with another email and it still wouldn't let me. I uninstalled the app and thus my introduction to the world of AI on my phone was complete.

I wonder what’s the reasoning behind limiting availability of an app for a product that’s already widely available.

Also seems not to have Browsing / Plugins, as far as i can figure out at least

Also much better in every way

It's using whisper to do speech to text, which is a non-trivial amount of on device processing. At least that's why I think it's heating up my phone, because that was the first thing I wanted to try.

Same, I tried Whisper and received a call right after and it was unusually hot.

> literally impossible to find on the App store

If you can't find it by the title, that's an App Store issue, not a product issue.

In new chats yes, you can't use plugins, but you can create a new minimal chat on desktop with plugins, code interpreter, or browser and it seems to work fine when you open that convo in the app history.

Not sure if it's in the app, but on their website, if you go to Settings -> Data Control, there's a button to export all your conversations.

Yep! There is an export button that allegedly will export all and send to your email.

That’s typical for most new apps. It takes apple a day or two to index everything.

I think it's only in the US at the moment

For future reference, any information ChatGPT has "about itself" (as you seem to have asked) would have to be hard-coded into its context. Usually, it's a safe bet that if you ask it questions like that - it's going to come up with some handwavey nonsense that sounds like the "privacy-preserving" approach. Or in short, ChatGPT doesn't have any clue about the details of the various frontends used to serve it.

Gradual rollout.

Why it's a problem? EU should offer ChatGDPR as an alternative.

This is actually quite appealing to me. Do you mind if I ask what if any framework you used to do this?

Unavailable in Canada, too :/

Probably for regulatory reasons. They will eventually release it in all the app stores, but OpenAI has a lot of lawyers and they are very cautious.

I wouldn't see why it wouldn't use Whisper. I just wish they could have gotten whisper.cpp working for live transcription on device.

But you can also turn on Voice Control and type with your voice without using Open AI - iOS dictation is getting better but not quite on par with Whisper by any stretch.

While it doesn't specify on the app that the limit is 25 messages every 3 hours. It mentions that GPT-4 access is limited and usage caps are reset regularly, but doesn't specify how much.

What does E2E sync mean here? They already know what you wrote because you submitted it to them, similar to a Google search.

gpt only exists in the cloud. openai has not released the model weights publicly. llama is the closest thing that you can run yourself.

> It has more features like selecting GPT-4 sub-models with browsing, plugins, etc...

Well yeah, if you have early access to those features. Most do not.

The OpenAI APIs are pretty easily accessible over HTTP. Not sure what an iOS SDK would bring to the table.

Mobile web works. I don't know if their signups block non-US phone numbers (they require a phone number for surveillance, er, security purposes).

> Name some very abstract variables

Curious what you mean by this?

(Disclaimer, I’m using gpt 3.5 or whatever is publicly available.)

This week I used ChatGPT to help “diagnose” a medical issue my senior dog has developed with his eye. We noticed he very suddenly started walking into furniture, and his left eye has become sunken and half covered by his third eyelid. Our small town’s farm vet wasn’t equipped to deal with eye issues, and the second vet we saw was understaffed so they had a traveling vet in for the day look at our dog. We weren’t impressed after he couldn’t figure out how to work his eye examination tool (he was looking through it backwards at first, shining the light into his own eye) and then gave up and just prescribed an antibiotic/ointment to our dog and told us to come back in a week.

Obviously we’ve tried to google the symptoms, but I’d heard anecdotes of people feeding their own medical issues into ChatGPT and getting good feedback, so I figured I’d do the same with my dog. It gave me a ton of detailed data about five different things that could be causing the problem with his eye. I questioned it about each one, and it tried to rule out some of the causes to the best of its ability when I was able to fill in details about things it asked. All the while it cautioned me that a vet would need to test him to truly determine if one of these things were the problem.

We’re heading back to the vet tomorrow for his recheck, ready to ask about a couple of these things. I’ve been very bearish on ChatGPT and LLMs, but it’s been genuinely useful to me in this situation.

I’m still a little cautious about the info it gave me though, because I’m still thinking about all the times I’ve played with it and had it give me broken lua/f# code or kusto queries that call functions which simply don’t exist. This could easily be one of those situations where I’m not a veterinarian so I can’t easily spot any of the wrong or misinformed information it gave me.

Edit: the five conditions it listed that could have caused the sudden eye problem for my dog are entropion; ectropion; enophthalmos; glaucoma; trauma.

What does spyware mean in this context? Some phishing-like cover websites prompting users to input their credentials of openai? Apart from that, I thought Apple handled permission handling well?

Thanks, I've been looking for an "official" GPT app for Android for ages!

Minor annoyances after trying it out for a few minutes: 1) The app requires you to sign up for conversations longer than 5 exchanges. 2) It disables my keyboard's word suggestions and instead forces its own – English – word suggestions upon me, making it very hard to write in e.g. Spanish. 3) Even typing in English is weirdly difficult – there is some lag and no autocorrection. 4) The text-to-speech and speech-to-text algorithm only supports English.

But hey, better than nothing.

You can turn off the "Haptic Feedback" in the app's settings

Yeah this is highly excessive and irregular use of haptics. I expect they will turn that off by default within a week.

I turned off haptics immediately in settings, but most people will be complaining before they figure that out.

It is annoying enough the way that ChatGPT drips out results, but now it acts as a low-quality hand massager and battery drain too?

Not ideal, but the product is still very good and people will happily use it, regardless of these "extra features"

Apps can open faster than a webpage, for one thing, which is convenient for a tool you're using all the time.

(I say this as someone who resisted making an app for AutoTempest for years based on the same logic, but finally caved to the fact that a lot of people just prefer them. Something I'm now coming to understand as I wait eagerly for a ChatGPT app...)

One problem I have with their website is that it constantly signs me out. It’s why I ended up downloading an app (GeePeeTee had the best privacy policy I could find) to use their service personally.

Considering this is Microsoft's baby, I think they feel quite good about this getting to front of HN.

It's not too bad. Notice how there's no section for "Data used to track you", only "Data linked to you"? They're not actively tracking users.

Poe offers a comparatively smaller quantity of GPT-4 responses in comparison to a subscription to OpenAI's ChatGPT. The limitations of Poe result in a maximum allowance of 1090 responses per month, calculated by combining 3 response per day each with an additional 1000 responses. Conversely, an OpenAI ChatGPT subscription provides approximately 2250 responses. This estimation assumes the utilization of 75 GPT-4 responses per day, divided into three separate sessions of 25 responses each. It is possible to attain additional responses by initiating inquiries beyond the nine-hour window in the prior calculation.

Poe necessitates a yearly commitment. As a consequence, if the costs of GPT-4 decrease significantly or a more advanced model becomes available, there is a potential risk of paying for Poe and not using it. Poe does offer access to Claude base model and limited access to the more advanced Claude models.

Poe offers fewer GPT4 messages than OpenAI for the same price. Just wanted to add that context.

More like bye bye ChatGPT knock-offs.

So far just microphone access if you want to use voice to search.

None so far! It hasn't even asked for my clipboard access.

None

That's already been reverted. https://www.reuters.com/technology/chatgpt-is-available-agai...

Edit: Oh ok you mean the app, I thought you meant ChatGPT in general because Italy banned it for a bit.

I think it will come soon, when I had an app in the store and I added a country it also didn't appear straight away.

This made me wonder, are there any public examples of codebases written entirely (or almost entirely, with human curated parts noted) by GPT-4?

Me, using a perfectly functional autogenerated PWA: sensible chuckle

Or Flutter?

Ironically, ChatGPT is very good at that.

Ridiculous take on multiple fronts, man.

-> The thing was released like two months ago, think what LLMs will do in like 10 years.

-> They likely want an industrial scale indestructible app for their multi-million $ product, they can take at least three months to build it.

Yes, because the (((thought-leaders))) have been saying that OpenAI will let GPT to write all of their software from now on. And if they won't then that means LLMs are incapable. /s

Also, there are reasons to not launch on both platforms at once even if the binaries were ready. E.g. if you want to space out onboarding new users. They are launching only in the US afterall.

Same for EU?

A brand-new project in Xcode doesn't require iOS 16. You actually have to make use of OS features only available in 16+ to get your app limited like this. And beside, 5-year old iPhones support iOS 16; it's not too unreasonable to make use of these features.

Huh?