Case in point, the App Store release app subtitle is "The official app by OpenAI"
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fake-chatgpt-apps-raking-tho...
The Chart: https://i.imgur.com/IYC0Pcb.png
Is Apple going to get their cut from the paying customers of OpenAI, by the way?
But its for our security to have a closed ecosyste---Walled Garden. Woah there, almost didn't stick to the marketing that we were all taught.
So, on what ground do you suggest they should be blocked from submission? Slapping a custom UI on a third party API is fine, if a bit distasteful in certain situations. Tons of people on this very forum work on glorified wrappers.
My understanding is that this might have been what Apple originally planned to do. However, the popularity of the App Store, IAP revenue, and the focus on services disincentivized them from pushing this route further.
That said, it's possible to package progressive web apps (PWAs) for listing in app stores: PWABuilder[0].
Disclaimer: I've worked on PWABuilder.
Noted the name of the app ("Openai ChatGP") and the description ("The official app by OpenAI")
I opened App Store on my iPhone and typed the name of the app, verbatim.
The official/correct app was not in the first 20 entries (which is as far as I was willing to scroll).
Which, to me:
1. Shows why an official app is needed even though the web version works perfectly fine on iPhone and is probably easier
2. Doesn't actually seem to solve the problem
3. Puts to shame all the touted benefits of a "walled garden/closed ecosystem".
Or how about search a pdf on my phone? Really? I can’t? Huh… so random…
* Let me put the icon where I want it. seriously. if my OCD wants this icon on bottom right of my screen, let me!
* Let me have an icon in multiple places. if my OCD wants this app in both "Media" and "Entertainment" folder, let me!
* Allow me to put stuff onto the phone. Via USB. Like every other god damn device in the world.
* Allow me to take stuff off my phone. Via USB. Like very other freakin' device in the world.
(my wife knows the exact shriek that comes out of my home office every ~6months when I try to take all my photos off my iPhone or put some videos onto it for travel. I've given up every time. My co-workers who love iPhone always have a wonderful system that sounds like "Email it to yourself then FTP it to your dropbox account and then download it in the browser and then..... - I assume that's how XKCD got the idea https://xkcd.com/763/)
* Downloading and opening files is an incredible hit and miss of what happens where and how.
* 3.5mm. And yes I blame Apple for starting the trend :)
I have a list somewhere I wrote down when people ask me why my phone is called "iHateApple". I'll see if I can dig it up :)
To Apple, the benefit is enormous. What happens when garbage apps get better ranking? Companies pay for that sponsored position. Once they do, Apple then starts ranking them better and gets to claim they "monitor quality" when it was never about quality on the App Store.
Not that HN wants to admit it when gpt4all gpt4free etc comes up
It keeps logging me out, the copying UX is subpar… And god forbid I lock my phone while I'm getting a completion back. It stops mid sentence and there is no way to continue with it. Which (locking one's phone for a bit while interacting with it) is a very valid use case if you are doing stuff with your hands and want to put the phone in your pocket for a bit.
I'm looking forward to the app.
I imagine this is their MVP, and they're going to iterate and start adding more iOS specific stuff. It'd be nice to be able to hook it into Siri natively (since we can't just rip out Siri and replace it with ChatGPT).
Apple store search is a broken horrific joke.
Agreed that an official app is needed, clearly.
> 2. Doesn't actually seem to solve the problem
For now. Eventually it'll get sorted.
> 3. Puts to shame all the touted benefits of a "walled garden/closed ecosystem".
Despite having the same experience, I disagree with your conclusion.
It has nothing do with the "walled garden" and everything to do with Apple and OpenAI not paying attention to a rapidly emerging use case. The problem arose because OpenAI did not prioritize the initiative to make their own early enough, allowing hundreds of other developers to fill the void and muddy the waters, while Apple allowed these copycats into the App Store without really considering the customer experience.
* Apple is positioning their tight control over the appstore, including high fees to developers and restricted choice to consumers, as providing benefits of a curated & safe experience
* Do we feel that dozens of apps overlaying OpenAI ChatGPT, with various degrees of honesty and deception and monetization methods and privacy policies, are in-line with stated goals of the appstore, and with desires and best interests of the end-users?
My personal impression is "No". This is not to say I want the app store controlled more tightly - on the contrary; I am saying that I am not receiving benefits of the "walled garden / ecosystem" (and this is hardly the first example since iPhone was forced upon me by my employer:), i.e. I do not feel materially safer on AppleStore than I do on Google Play store; but I do feel materially obstructed/impacted when I want to install something that Apple for whatever reason does not.
Or in other words, without claiming anybody did anything particularly wrong here, if you're GOING to allow dozens of apps pretending to be the hottest new thing on the market on the app store, then just get out of my way and let me install what I want without pretense of curation and safety.
And what is Apple supposed to do in this case? Block independent devs from submitting valid apps? Then they’d be blamed for supporting big corp and monopolistic practices. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
It’s the right call to make.
It just further weakens Apple’s arguments for their locked down store and app review process.
How does anyone (outside HN perhaps) have any hope of finding the official one?
And what are we (Apple users) paying our “Apple tax” for when the app store quality control processes have sunk so low?
Lack of competition. If Android counts as competition then switch to Android.
Easy. Out of all the ChatGPT wrapper clones on the App Store, Apple will promote OpenAI's app first, and remove the fakes if they wanted to. Only a selected few 'approved' competitor AI chatbot apps on the App Store will be still around.
This just shows that almost none of these AI chatbot apps have a moat and can be easily wiped out with a push of a red button, even if they are using the GPT-4 API.
I have used this many times for country specific public transport or delivery apps but same thing works here. You do not lose access to other apps, sync features or subscriptions.
Go into the App Store app, not your phone settings, click your profile and scroll all the way down to log out. Then log in with a US account, download the app and switch again.
You can continue using the US only apps after switching back
Works fine for me though. I have barely any apps that need updating
Seriously?
When is this idiotic corporate idea going to die? Internet has no regions.
(BTW, I pay for ChatGPT plus)
But now I see this kind of crap from companies pretending to be at the forefront of technology and it has me not just frustrated, but worried.
Do people at OpenAI realize how much bad will this kind of segregation causes? Because make no mistake, this is segregation: you divide your users into "better" ones and "worse" ones.
"We take reports of fraudulent behavior very seriously. Please provide the following so we can investigate the situation:
Steps to reproduce the behavior: Screenshots of the behavior on the iTunes Store or App Store: Names and links to the Apps:
After we receive this information, our team will investigate your concern."
Am I supposed to provide unpaid work for a $2 trillion company?
Also, worth mentioning the "tracking" of the "official" app:
The following data may be collected and linked to your identity: Contact Info Identifiers Diagnostics User Content Usage Data
Thanks, but no thanks!
Disclosure: I developed an iOS app that uses the OpenAI API, but somehow managed to not include any tracking.
AKME is free and doesn't include any tracking. The app supports a BYOK (Bring Your Own Key) model, as well as buying in-app tokens https://apps.apple.com/app/akme-ai-knowledge/id6446436196
Just because OpenAI didn't make an app first doesn't mean they're the only ones that can create apps for interfacing with GPT networks.
Yes, there are multiple scam apps
Define scam
From what I can see, this app lags behind their web interface a bit, and I wouldn't be surprised if they had some approval trouble at Apple and will be rolling out updates more frequently now that the official app is out the door. As it stands, the voice transcription feature returns an API error and it doesn't seem to have any option to read the response to you with text to speech.
I'm hopeful to see what updates they roll out in the coming weeks
Edit: I am using this one https://github.com/Yue-Yang/ChatGPT-Siri
Why wouldn't they do that?
It's only bad for everyone that instead there's this total shitshow litany of garbage presented to the user instead. It's bad for customers, bad for the app suppliers, and bad for Apple themselves. Totally bizarre.
Plus, OpenAI has the link on their site, which will bolster the couple days initial release traffic.
That been said, Bing-App is pretty good so far, waiting to look at openAI one. Far too many fake ones masquerading as chatGPT apps and it is really painful to see my friends paying for some of these fake ones to remove adverts and trying to figure out how to make it do things.
I'd guess it includes additional tracking enabled by an app and other undesirable aspects of an app.
- snappier
- search through conversation history via title search
- whisper built in for record -> transcribe workflow (does not work "live" unfortunately)
- easier to scroll through history and delete history
- long press prompt or response to copy/select text or perform voting/regeneration actions
- better text resizing support (via the control center's Aa text resize option) (online resizing text made things way too cluttered)
Probably more but all I've found from about 10 minutes of playing around.
Definitely better UX from my perspective!
How is this any better that Apple's built in dictation?
> easier to ... delete history
This is actually the one advantage I see to this app. Deleting history on the desktop is a pain and requires far too many clicks. I can delete history more quickly with the iOS app.
But it does do a LOT of haptic.
It now looks like the short term ChatGPT copycat grifter apps on the App Store are now going to start packing their bags now. If they don't, Apple will do it for them.
Expect this one to take over the app store and remain the top 10 apps for a very long time.
Here's to hoping it doesn't log you out constantly like the web app.
FFS, I'm a ChatGPT Plus subscriber, but I can't get the app. Why would they even restrict this?
The phone number isn't ever used again and is just used to limit automated signups as far as I can tell.
- literally impossible to find on the App store, even when searched for by its exact name caps and all; only able to get it by navigating from OpenAI page
- weekend-project level UX
- no access to my Beta plugins or browsing
My conclusion:
This is a placeholder, not a product.
If you can't find it by the title, that's an App Store issue, not a product issue.
Btw is there anyway to export or do quick copy paste over long conversation? Seems like not possible to easily scroll and select the whole convo.
I can switch stores but would need to cancel subscriptions.
Chat history on the mobile app took a while to sync. In the time it synced, I asked ChatGPT is history is synced across devices. It said: (paraphrasing) "History is separate from the app and desktop, due to privacy considerations and the way the system was designed"
I see my history now after 5 minutes of waiting on the app
- Go to OpenAi's website and then click the link which re-directed me to the App Store
- Not available in your country!
Seriously?
(also transcription API call is bugged AF right now)
But you can also turn on Voice Control and type with your voice without using Open AI - iOS dictation is getting better but not quite on par with Whisper by any stretch.
It says it syncs between devices. Is it E2E sync, which is kind of table-stakes for the iOS ecosystem at this point?
It has more features like selecting GPT-4 sub-models with browsing, plugins, etc...
Kudos to the responsive CSS
Well yeah, if you have early access to those features. Most do not.
Seems like they'd need one to build this app so it would be nice for them to release it to the broader dev community.
* Find new artists to listen that combine techno with psytrance
* Navigate a tricky personal communication situation
* Debug a LOT of different issues
* Write new code in a language I'm not really familiar with
* Explore political ideas through simulated debate
* Search current visa requirements
* Find answers to some random history questions
* Calculate whether my tent would be blown of a mountain cliff or not
* Adjust a recipe to my taste, amount of servings and available ingridients
* Name some very abstract variables
* Remember a name of historical figure
Sure, I could do most of these just with Google, but it would take me a lot more time. Sometimes 2, sometimes 10 times more.
Can't wait when this app will be available in my region.
This week I used ChatGPT to help “diagnose” a medical issue my senior dog has developed with his eye. We noticed he very suddenly started walking into furniture, and his left eye has become sunken and half covered by his third eyelid. Our small town’s farm vet wasn’t equipped to deal with eye issues, and the second vet we saw was understaffed so they had a traveling vet in for the day look at our dog. We weren’t impressed after he couldn’t figure out how to work his eye examination tool (he was looking through it backwards at first, shining the light into his own eye) and then gave up and just prescribed an antibiotic/ointment to our dog and told us to come back in a week.
Obviously we’ve tried to google the symptoms, but I’d heard anecdotes of people feeding their own medical issues into ChatGPT and getting good feedback, so I figured I’d do the same with my dog. It gave me a ton of detailed data about five different things that could be causing the problem with his eye. I questioned it about each one, and it tried to rule out some of the causes to the best of its ability when I was able to fill in details about things it asked. All the while it cautioned me that a vet would need to test him to truly determine if one of these things were the problem.
We’re heading back to the vet tomorrow for his recheck, ready to ask about a couple of these things. I’ve been very bearish on ChatGPT and LLMs, but it’s been genuinely useful to me in this situation.
I’m still a little cautious about the info it gave me though, because I’m still thinking about all the times I’ve played with it and had it give me broken lua/f# code or kusto queries that call functions which simply don’t exist. This could easily be one of those situations where I’m not a veterinarian so I can’t easily spot any of the wrong or misinformed information it gave me.
Edit: the five conditions it listed that could have caused the sudden eye problem for my dog are entropion; ectropion; enophthalmos; glaucoma; trauma.
But I have Android anyway.. Hopefully that will come too!
Minor annoyances after trying it out for a few minutes: 1) The app requires you to sign up for conversations longer than 5 exchanges. 2) It disables my keyboard's word suggestions and instead forces its own – English – word suggestions upon me, making it very hard to write in e.g. Spanish. 3) Even typing in English is weirdly difficult – there is some lag and no autocorrection. 4) The text-to-speech and speech-to-text algorithm only supports English.
But hey, better than nothing.
I might be alone in this, but we've been trained for vibrations to mean something. Vibrating the phone on every line or response from ChatGPT seems excessive to me (and a battery drain as well!).
I turned off haptics immediately in settings, but most people will be complaining before they figure that out.
It is annoying enough the way that ChatGPT drips out results, but now it acts as a low-quality hand massager and battery drain too?
Not ideal, but the product is still very good and people will happily use it, regardless of these "extra features"
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(I say this as someone who resisted making an app for AutoTempest for years based on the same logic, but finally caved to the fact that a lot of people just prefer them. Something I'm now coming to understand as I wait eagerly for a ChatGPT app...)
Normalize people using the web. And FirefoxAndroid... don't refresh an idle tab unless I tell you to!
Poe necessitates a yearly commitment. As a consequence, if the costs of GPT-4 decrease significantly or a more advanced model becomes available, there is a potential risk of paying for Poe and not using it. Poe does offer access to Claude base model and limited access to the more advanced Claude models.
Edit: Oh ok you mean the app, I thought you meant ChatGPT in general because Italy banned it for a bit.
I think it will come soon, when I had an app in the store and I added a country it also didn't appear straight away.
I'm getting a good chuckle out of this.
The thought-leaders have been warning us that large language models will put 99% of professionals out of work and will threaten the nature of human existence... and yet today's leading LLM apparently can't be used to generate code for a boilerplate user interface using the Android SDK.
Ironically, ChatGPT is very good at that.
-> The thing was released like two months ago, think what LLMs will do in like 10 years.
-> They likely want an industrial scale indestructible app for their multi-million $ product, they can take at least three months to build it.
Also, there are reasons to not launch on both platforms at once even if the binaries were ready. E.g. if you want to space out onboarding new users. They are launching only in the US afterall.
Pure laziness.